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« on: October 16, 2011, 09:06:02 PM »

I've been a wrestling fan since Wrestlemania 3. Yes, back in the day, I was a Hulkamaniac. As the years went by, my favorite wrestler became Bret Hart. My favorite period of wrestling was once Bret took over as heavy weight champion after defeating Ric Flair. There was not only a changing of the guard, but the product started to really evolve. A few years later, and the attitude era was ushered in and for several years, gave me what ended up being my favorite period in wrestling. That era was incredible. It also supplied a few of my all time favorite matches: Bret Hart vs Sean Michaels at Wrestlemania 12, Mankind vs Undertaker in their incredible Hell in a Cell matchup, and my all time favorite match- Bret Hart vs Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 13!

Well, after awhile, things started to change. Vince bought out WCW, Bret was gone, Stone Cold was gone, the Rock was gone, and the attitude era slipped away into memory. What followed really became a stale, never changing, never evolving, recycled product week in and week out. I started watching less and less. My favorite wrestler over the last several years has been Jeff Hardy. It was awesome when he won the heavyweight championship and his matches with CM Punk were really something special. But everything else became blah...

Then, suddenly... out of the blue... my interest returned full tilt. I wanted to watch. I wanted to know what would happen next. And it was all due to CM Punk. His shoot style promos and interviews were not only refreshing... they totally reinvigorated the product! It got people talking... interest started to return... especially mine. And then came the Money in the Bank PPV. I actually ordered it (I usually only order one PPV a year anymore, and it's Wrestlemania). And wow, what a PPV it was. I actually enjoyed it more than I did Wrestlemania. That championship match was awesome. The aftermath was awesome. And seeing CM Punk run out through the crowd, upstairs and out of the arena as WWE champion was something I never would have imagined. The following week or two was also great. What would happen with Punk (by the way, his showing up at Comic Con and interaction with Triple H... GENIUS!!!). Wrestling actually felt... dare I say... real?!

And then............. they totally screwed the entire thing up! CM Punk is still great... but it's become such a cluster f*ck of horrible booking and once again, recycled and reused crap. Cena is after the WWE championship for the 1,497th time in the upcoming PPV. Miz and Truth are great, but seem to be stuck in a rut thanks to creative screwing them up time and time again. The only thing interesting at ALL anymore is Mark Henry as a monster champion. And now, it looks like they are getting ready to screw that up as well. Watching him butcher and dominate EVERYONE (including Orton) in his path was great. I was hoping that he remained this dominant until the upcoming Wrestlemania. That championship bout would be something awesome to see. Instead, Henry has now come under attack from Orton and Show lately and they are getting the better of him already. Wow... Henry being dominant has lasted like a whole 4-6 weeks of booking!

I'm sorry... but after Raw and Smackdown this past week... I'm not sure how much more I can watch. How I yearn for the days before. The Hogan/Macho Man/Warrior/etc days were so much fun... and nothing was better than the Attitude era... Unfortunately, both those eras have passed away for good it seems.

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 02:41:16 PM »


The only thing interesting at ALL anymore is Mark Henry as a monster champion. And now, it looks like they are getting ready to screw that up as well. Watching him butcher and dominate EVERYONE (including Orton) in his path was great. I was hoping that he remained this dominant until the upcoming Wrestlemania. That championship bout would be something awesome to see. Instead, Henry has now come under attack from Orton and Show lately and they are getting the better of him already. Wow... Henry being dominant has lasted like a whole 4-6 weeks of booking!


I like to call this the "Kane Treatment". Basically, you get a title run for bring loyal, beat the champ for the belt, beat him in two rematches and then lose to a new challenger.
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2011, 02:44:06 PM »

Yeah... that's actually a good comparison!
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 04:18:52 PM »

Even though I did not see the last raw, I did see some online reports and most of them said this was one of the worst raw's in years. The COO storyline got smashed into a million pieces, HHH is just a wrestler again, Vince is back and it looks like CM Punk is back to upper mid-card. I don't know what could make it much worse right now but honestly I have gone from not watching to watching and back again to not watching. Call me a fair weather wrestling fan but I just cant get into this stuff when they are CONSTANTLY ruining good story-lines for total crap. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2011, 04:25:41 PM »

Even though I did not see the last raw, I did see some online reports and most of them said this was one of the worst raw's in years.

The first half an hour or so until Vince walked out was fantastic.

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2011, 04:57:09 PM »

 Part of the reason I have no belief and never did in Henry keeping the title till Wrestlemania is that we already have been told who the challenger is. Daniel Bryan has already said point blank he is cashing in his money in the bank for a title match at Wrestlemania and I don't really think that him vs Henry would be what they would consider a good match, so they will have Henry dump to someone to make it the kind of match WWE wants and to hell with what the fans actually want to see.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 05:08:30 PM »

I don't really think that him vs Henry would be what they would consider a good match, so they will have Henry dump to someone to make it the kind of match WWE wants and to hell with what the fans actually want to see.

As much as I'm enjoying Mark Henry as champ, I'd rather see Bryan have a 4 or 5 star title match at Mania, than see Mark Henry in the main event.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 06:04:37 PM »

I'm not sure I buy the "Henry has to dump the title before Bryant can Challenge for it at WM."

Henry is a monster. He's destroyed Big Show, Kane, Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

No one expected Daniel Bryant to win MitB. (Aside from the fact that I called it about two minutes into the match after I saw how it was being booked.)

Bryant is the giant killer. Everyone's going to saying "That geek doesn't have a shot at beating Henry" because god knows, Cole is going to say that for the month + prior to WM.

That being said - Bryant is a fantastic wrestler, who will sell that he is taking the beating of his life.
Some how, out of no where, he'll find that way to win the title.

When folks are saying "I can't see Bryant Vs. Henry as a WM main event."

That's because you're not going to see it as "The" Main event.

The final match / main event is going to be Cena Vs. Rock.
Prior to that you'll have the Raw Championship match.
Somewhere in there you'll have the Random Public person vs. Someone.
There will be some other "Random Public Interest match."
Maybe a MitB?
Insert a few other formulaic matches, and either to start to show, or about two matches in, you'll get Bryant Vs. Henry.

It'll be your standard formulaic WM, and yeah... hopefully the Chinese food will be tasty.

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 06:35:08 PM »

Its not that I don't see it because of differences between the two, I don't think that they will let Henry retain it that long with the way they have been treating storylines.

I would love to see that match, especially since I don't think we have had Henry run into a true submission person recently
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 06:49:08 PM »


I would love to see that match, especially since I don't think we have had Henry run into a true submission person recently

They could very easily pull that off as his downfall since he has seemed to dominant everything else
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 06:51:15 PM »

Its not that I don't see it because of differences between the two, I don't think that they will let Henry retain it that long with the way they have been treating storylines.

I would love to see that match, especially since I don't think we have had Henry run into a true submission person recently

I really do think they'll leave the belt on Henry until Mania. There's no way they let someone go over Orton, clean, twice and not really use it to build them up. Wins over Cena and Orton are rare enough, clean wins even rarer.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2011, 07:17:36 PM »

i say mizark keeps it 'til elimination chamber. he walks in the champ, but cody rhodes walks out as champ. american dragon vs dr doom for the strap. henry will probably be involved in the celebrity match, most likely with sheamus too.

i suppose bryan vs orton is likely too. bryan did say he'd like to face him for the belt.

 
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2011, 09:15:23 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2011, 07:32:35 AM »

In my opinion, the booking writes itself here. Yes I'd like to see Henry hold onto the title until Wrestlemania. BUT if they plan on doing that, they can't let guys get the better of him (like Orton and Show have done the last two weeks). What makes Henry so refreshing is that he has become a MONSTER... destroying people and looking unstoppable. They need to keep that going. Feed him guys each week and month, and have him play the destroyer. At the upcoming PPV, I have nothing against Show, but they need to have Henry come out of it looking indestructible.

In the meantime, have Bryan work hard over the next several months. Have him win some good matches. Have him lose some good matches. Maybe have him enter the Royal Rumble early, and actually last until one of the last 3-4 guys before getting tossed.

By the time Wrestlemania rolls around, it will be maybe the ultimate David and Goliath story/match. Imagine Bryan overcoming all the odds and defeating the guy that no one else could.

And as far as it not being the main event, that's definitely true. Everyone knows Cena vs Rock will be. I'm sure they'll also have Undertaker vs Triple H again in a rematch for Undertaker's undefeated streak. CM Punk will probably have a big match. So without the Henry-Bryan match being the main event, and with so much other stuff on the card, I think they could easily succeed in letting this match happen. It could be a big step in creating another superstar for the company!

Oh, wait... nevermind... I forgot. This is WWE we're talking about.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2011, 08:24:48 AM »

I think they could easily succeed in letting this match happen. It could be a big step in creating another superstar for the company!

Oh, wait... nevermind... I forgot. This is WWE we're talking about.

That's exactly what people said about CM Punk 2-3 years ago.

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2011, 08:39:23 AM »

I think the John laringitus storyline was ham-handed and poorly excecuted sure.  Storylines have been clustered, but I think it's just buildup.  I, for one, am really looking forward to HHH/Punk vs Truth/Miz.  All excellent wrestlers, should be a hella good match.  I think/hope that Henry will win again.  I think that the Henry monster push is also buildup.

Buildup for what?  Keep in mind when McMahon announced the GM change and installed JL as "interim" which is huge foreshadowing for a triumphant entry of a face GM.  Depending on who they pick...

Also I've eyeballed wrestling wiki for a long time and there's one that has said since the beginning of this year that a certain leviathan might be making a WWE return as face at/after Surviver Series...which is coming up soon.  That would be a good matchup for Henry I think.  But it may all be just wishful thinking.  I'll be watching to see...which really is the point, yeah? 
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2011, 08:41:09 AM »

No they don't happen overnight. But I'd like to see at least a real push toward the future. It seems that WWE will put their toe in the water, and if the reaction they get isn't hot immediately, that they pull back and decide to just go back to the same recycled feuds, same recycled stars, etc. Just a few years ago, Punk was having great heavyweight title matches with Jeff Hardy. But I guess WWE didn't have much faith in Punk, and soon, he was back to mid-level talent status.

Things just look like a mess right now. Instead of booking with a set of real feuds and storylines, we get constant overbooking with all sorts of messed up finishes, run-ins followed by run-ins, etc. There doesn't seem to be a direction.

And am I the only one that would LOVE to see managers brought back!? Grin
I miss the days of Heenan, Jimmy Hart, etc. I loved when managers actually had a stable of wrestlers and would actually come out 2-3 times in a big event for their guys matches! And I also long for the days of REAL tag team wrestling. Hart Foundation, Rockers, Demolition, Road Warriors, etc... that was great!
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2011, 11:19:12 AM »

And am I the only one that would LOVE to see managers brought back!? Grin
I miss the days of Heenan, Jimmy Hart, etc. I loved when managers actually had a stable of wrestlers and would actually come out 2-3 times in a big event for their guys matches! And I also long for the days of REAL tag team wrestling. Hart Foundation, Rockers, Demolition, Road Warriors, etc... that was great!

Huzzah!  I agree completely.  Fortunately, it looks like the WWE is getting there.  We have Vickie Guerrero with her boys and Air Boom seems to be an attempt to get the tag division going.  The teams may still be two single superstars throw together in a tag team, but they are at least given tag team names.  I still think Cole would make a great heel manager and his heat gathering talents are being wasted as an announcer. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2011, 11:27:00 AM »

Michael Cole would be a great manager! And Vickie brings mega heat to everything she does, so they just need to really increase her stable. I'd like to see her manage at least 4-5 guys. Same with Cole. Also, I'm not sure what he's up to these days, but I think Raven would bring a whole new dynamic to the company as a manager. And there have been rumblings of Mick Foley coming back to the company. I think he'd make a great one as well! And I guess if they really want to use Kevin Nash, don't use him as a wrestler. Have him lead a big heal faction.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2011, 02:29:07 PM »

I think they could easily succeed in letting this match happen. It could be a big step in creating another superstar for the company!

Oh, wait... nevermind... I forgot. This is WWE we're talking about.

That's exactly what people said about CM Punk 2-3 years ago.

Things don't happen overnight.



The problem I see with Bryan is that he doesn't have a killer look. I have no idea how convincing his mic skills are, but he needs a change and he needs it soon. Wrestling attire, facial hair, hair style tattoos, a manager...SOMETHING to make him look like a sadistic submission machine.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2011, 03:02:12 PM »

I think they could easily succeed in letting this match happen. It could be a big step in creating another superstar for the company!

Oh, wait... nevermind... I forgot. This is WWE we're talking about.

That's exactly what people said about CM Punk 2-3 years ago.

Things don't happen overnight.



The problem I see with Bryan is that he doesn't have a killer look. I have no idea how convincing his mic skills are, but he needs a change and he needs it soon. Wrestling attire, facial hair, hair style tattoos, a manager...SOMETHING to make him look like a sadistic submission machine.


I know I am gonna burn for this but ummm what about that beniot guy? He didn't have Tats, Facial Hair(That i remember) His attire was pretty much the same and other then Nancy in WCW when did he have a manager?

Also for people that are saying that Dave is gonna return, More then likely won't happen. Now it would be awesome just to see the 2 Batista's interact but I won;t hold my breath.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2011, 05:00:46 PM »

I think they could easily succeed in letting this match happen. It could be a big step in creating another superstar for the company!

Oh, wait... nevermind... I forgot. This is WWE we're talking about.

That's exactly what people said about CM Punk 2-3 years ago.

Things don't happen overnight.



The problem I see with Bryan is that he doesn't have a killer look. I have no idea how convincing his mic skills are, but he needs a change and he needs it soon. Wrestling attire, facial hair, hair style tattoos, a manager...SOMETHING to make him look like a sadistic submission machine.


I know I am gonna burn for this but ummm what about that beniot guy? He didn't have Tats, Facial Hair(That i remember) His attire was pretty much the same and other then Nancy in WCW when did he have a manager?

Also for people that are saying that Dave is gonna return, More then likely won't happen. Now it would be awesome just to see the 2 Batista's interact but I won;t hold my breath.

The difernce is that Benoit was a rough guys, Toothless agression and all. He made a name of himself been a roothless bastard who would put down on a submission hold anyone who looked at him funny. He was a mid-card Stone Cold. Danielson's character on the WWE is bland as hell, that's the problem, he has the skill but he doesn't have the attitude (right now) to make an impact.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2011, 05:20:02 PM »

Right now they're leaving Danielson as a face. Just wait until he starts reminding the refs "I've got til 5!"

He's just confirming to the WWE style, and doing what he's told. (And probably being paid nicely)
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2011, 09:50:45 AM »

For the record, Mark Henry is a terrible champion. Christian should have had that title reign and the Smackdown booking is really, really messed up right now. Raw isn't nearly as bad.

As for the WWE title, I know people hate the booking, but it makes sense if Alberto Del Rio gets a clean win over Cena because he doesn't have one. My inclination is that Cena's going to be out of the title picture by Survivor Series so that he can feud The Rock. Rock needs to start doing regular appearances sometime soon so that this feud actually takes off.

With the rest of it, I think the Ace/Triple H story is still decent, even though it lost it's luster when Triple H was removed. It can be a big payoff if a huge face comes back as a GM or if the same person starts undermining Johnny Ace and it's some big heel trying to take the job. I just don't know where it's really going.

 
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2011, 12:35:30 PM »

I agree that WWE totally dropped the ball with Christian. While he is not the most "complete" guy on the roster (as far as technical ability, mic skills, etc), he is head and shoulders above a good portion of the roster. I hate how they turned him into the chickensh*t heel again. As far as Henry goes though, I do not agree. I am more than fine with him being champion. He has actually brought some honor and prestige back to the Heavyweight championship. He makes it feel like it's truly important, and his promos over the last 6-8 weeks have been money! As long as WWE doesn't screw it up and continues to let him be the monster beast he has been, destroying people left and right, whoever finally defeats him for that title is going to be made right there!

As far as the RAW GM or COO or whatever, WWE has been screwing that up royally for a long time now. First they bring us something cool... something that could have been really good... the Anonymous Raw GM. It had people wondering and curious to find out who it could be behind it all. Instead, time passed, and it started to drag and drag and drag and.... and the decisions made by him/her didn't make sense half the time, or have any rhyme or reason behind it. And then, after all that time, WWE did what it does a lot of the time anymore... it just dropped it completely out of the blue and wants you to forget it ever happened. Then they follow that up with Vince then HHH then JL... it's become so cluttered and sloppy anymore. Honestly, I'd love to see either Bret Hart or Mick Foley come in and take over as the permanent Raw GM. Speaking of those two guys, they would also make great managers if WWE were to bring that aspect back! Bret has already proven he can lead a great faction and stable of guys... his crew when he was working as a heel was really awesome!
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