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[Queensryche]

I'm utterly disgusted and shocked as a Penn State fan. Joe Paterno ended up being no better than any other head coach out there, and the football program showed that the almighty dollar and protecting one of the Good Ol' Boys was more important than stopping a monster from destroying the lives of young children.

At this point, I think the only result that would satisfy me would be the complete, utter, and permanent destruction of PSU football. The NCAA should get involved and hand down the death penalty. So what if the rules don't specifically mention situations like this? I'm sure NCAA bylaws say programs should follow legal and moral obligations, and PSU football didn't. They chose to let Jerry Sandusky prey on children rather than suffer temporary reputational damage and temporary loss of revenue. For that, the football program should be dismantled permanently. The Big Ten can find another school to replace them.

[piperspitt]

So thousands of people should be punished for the actions of one and the inactions of a few?  This is one of the worst "sports" stories ever. It seems impossible that this could have happened, yet it appears that this is very real. However I do not trust the AP to correctly gather facts and sift out the rumors and speculation. The Internet is open to many blogs, opinions, and speculation right now. Give the authorities time to sort out the truths of what happened before you ask for "death" to hundreds of innocent players, coaches, administrators, and thousands upon thousands of alumni and fans. Sandusky will get his, and those around that enabled this will get theirs, but there are an awful lot of innocents caught in the middle. I would imagine even the victims would be victims again if the program received a death penalty.

[BigJohnStudd]

IMO I feel that JoePa got the short end of the proverbial stick. I don't think he knew enough of what went on to take it as serious as he should have. One of the greatest College Football coaches ever is going to be known as the guy with the pervert on his team. I think he did what he thought was enough. He is their football coach, not their police officer. I am sure that none of the victims are going to blame Joe Paterno for not doing enough. I am sure he would have if he had known the extent of what Sandusky had done.

[piperspitt]

I find it hard to believe that anybody could have known this was going on and not done more. Obviously at least two eyewitnesses did though. I don't know how they could not do anything immediately, but then I've never been in their situation. I find it curious that this just comes out now like its recent. The only thing that can be done is punish the offenders, prevent this from happening again, and move on. However many victims try to turn their tragedy into financial gain, so this will probably drag on for years.

[BigJohnStudd]

I find it hard to believe that anybody could have known this was going on and not done more. Obviously at least two eyewitnesses did though. I don't know how they could not do anything immediately, but then I've never been in their situation. I find it curious that this just comes out now like its recent. The only thing that can be done is punish the offenders, prevent this from happening again, and move on. However many victims try to turn their tragedy into financial gain, so this will probably drag on for years.

Reading a little more on the subject I do think he should have done more, and in the end he is an educator first and a coach second. It's really too bad what happened and I 'm sure that people are going to come out of the woodwork to sue Penn St. they will settle out of court and the college will raise tuition to cover the cost of the settlements. So in the end the students are going to pay for what the faculty did to other students. Sad indeed.

EDIT: Also it is not certain how much Joe Paterno knew, from his grand jury testimony it looks like all he was told is that there was some fondling and horsing around but nothing like rape... Its just too bad that he has to go out this way.....

[JDub]

So thousands of people should be punished for the actions of one and the inactions of a few?  This is one of the worst "sports" stories ever. It seems impossible that this could have happened, yet it appears that this is very real. However I do not trust the AP to correctly gather facts and sift out the rumors and speculation. The Internet is open to many blogs, opinions, and speculation right now. Give the authorities time to sort out the truths of what happened before you ask for "death" to hundreds of innocent players, coaches, administrators, and thousands upon thousands of alumni and fans. Sandusky will get his, and those around that enabled this will get theirs, but there are an awful lot of innocents caught in the middle. I would imagine even the victims would be victims again if the program received a death penalty.

At first I thought the same as you and I see where your coming from. Why take the football program away from the current players who had nothing to do with it, most of the coaching staff who had nothing to do with it, etc? But the bottom line is a lot of people involved with the football program or the school in general basically let Sandusky use their facilities, football facilities on campus to rape children for years. If that doesn't deserve to have your football program taken away then I don't know what does. And all the "innocent" fans and students you mention, after what I seen them do last night to stick up for someone who protected a monster that raped kids, they don't deserve sh#t. They should evacuate the campus blow the whole thing to kingdom come as far as I'm concerned. People in administration knew about this for years, as far back as 1998, which now when you look at it might be the reason for Sandusky retiring unexpectedly back in 1999, just a year after they knew something was going on. I think they even told him to stop bringing kids around campus... EVENTUALLY. And it wasn't "hey what the eff are you doing with little kids?" it was just "Don't do it here anymore." How many kids lives were ruined by this monster that COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED? In my opinion Joe Paterno and anyone else who knew ANYTHING about this are just as much as guilty as Sandusky, I don't care that they aren't legally responsible, they are just as much scum as Sandusky is. And why did more kids have to be put through this because some higher ups didn't want their precious football program and school to look bad. I hope everyone that knew something and didn't do anything still left at that school gets sh#t canned, I hope they eventually lose their football program. I also hope the Cornhuskers pound Penn States Cornhuskers this weekend then Wisconsin finishes them off last game of the season and takes the spot in the Big Ten Championship game away from them. I know it's not the players faults (even though they already said they are playing the rest of the season "for Joe") but I really don't care. Those kids that were raped were pretty innocent to but no one at that school protected them so why should their football players get to be treated fairly?

[piperspitt]

It's bigger than their Football players. With out Football, their boosters dry up. No facility upgrades shared by other sports. Less athletic trainers to care for athletes, less funds. Nobody coming to town for the game on Saturday. The restraunts, gas stations, hotels, stores lose sales. The town loses tax dollars, jobs, and incomes. It becomes devastating in an already poor economy. Punish the bad and neglectful, not the innocent.

[JDub]

It's bigger than their Football players. With out Football, their boosters dry up. No facility upgrades shared by other sports. Less athletic trainers to care for athletes, less funds. Nobody coming to town for the game on Saturday. The restraunts, gas stations, hotels, stores lose sales. The town loses tax dollars, jobs, and incomes. It becomes devastating in an already poor economy. Punish the bad and neglectful, not the innocent.

And all of that is nothing compared to the kids lives who were ruined. So cry me a river. And if that does happen it's all on them anyways, they could have prevented all of the bad stuff that could potentially happen to the school. They get everything the deserve and probably more.

[dilbert505]

It's bigger than their Football players. With out Football, their boosters dry up. No facility upgrades shared by other sports. Less athletic trainers to care for athletes, less funds. Nobody coming to town for the game on Saturday. The restraunts, gas stations, hotels, stores lose sales. The town loses tax dollars, jobs, and incomes. It becomes devastating in an already poor economy. Punish the bad and neglectful, not the innocent.

And all of that is nothing compared to the kids lives who were ruined. So cry me a river. And if that does happen it's all on them anyways, they could have prevented all of the bad stuff that could potentially happen to the school. They get everything the deserve and probably more.

The population of State College, PA is 42,034, as of the 2010 Census. That's people living there full-time, not including the students who maintain residence elsewhere, and the people who live in the surrounding neighborhoods who work in, or do business with people who live in, State College. You're telling me that all (being generous with the numbers here, as I think it's actually a fair bit higher) 60,000 of these people should lose the aforementioned tax dollars, jobs, incomes, possibly their homes, because of the actions of one man and the inaction of half a dozen more?

What Sandusky did was disgusting, no question. The failures of McQueary, the janitor, Paterno, Schultz (or whatever his name is), Curley, and Spanier are embarrassing and atrocious. Sandusky should rot in hell (and presuming he's convicted, he'll be there shortly), and the others should never find employment in their chosen field again. They also need to live with what they've failed to do for the rest of their lives, and should be reminded of their failure regularly. But for people to take out their anger at the actual criminal and criminally negligent on the complete innocents who live in and around the area, and in fact could not have done a damn thing to stop this, no matter what you may have implied, appalls me as well. The concierge at the hotel couldn't have stopped this, but you're willing to shutter his hotel. The lunch lady at the diner down the street would never have known, but you've just said "they['re] get[ting] everything they deserve." How many innocents need to suffer before your anger at the real criminals will be satisfied?

The correct action is, for the most part, being taken here. (McQueary certainly also needs to be fired, and I presume will be as soon as he's no longer protected under whistle-blower laws. I also believe the rest of the coaching staff needs to go as well, and possibly the facilities management and certain members of the campus police.) Next year, Penn State needs to have a new President, head of security, AD, head football coach, and coaching staff. The entire administration, everyone in any position related to this incident, needs to be replaced with people made of sterner stuff than the embarrassments who have sullied the university's name. When that is complete, when nobody with any connection to these heinous crimes remains in any position of power, then and only then should the school be considered properly scourged, and if they fail to do so, they deserve all the rage they get. But as long as they do that, as long as the only things remaining from this year's team are the underclassmen, the name, the logos, and the field, they should be considered for all intents and purposes a different team, and not tarred with the same broad brush that rightly tars those who let this happen.

[JDub]

The population of State College, PA is 42,034, as of the 2010 Census. That's people living there full-time, not including the students who maintain residence elsewhere, and the people who live in the surrounding neighborhoods who work in, or do business with people who live in, State College. You're telling me that all (being generous with the numbers here, as I think it's actually a fair bit higher) 60,000 of these people should lose the aforementioned tax dollars, jobs, incomes, possibly their homes, because of the actions of one man and the inaction of half a dozen more?

What Sandusky did was disgusting, no question. The failures of McQueary, the janitor, Paterno, Schultz (or whatever his name is), Curley, and Spanier are embarrassing and atrocious. Sandusky should rot in hell (and presuming he's convicted, he'll be there shortly), and the others should never find employment in their chosen field again. They also need to live with what they've failed to do for the rest of their lives, and should be reminded of their failure regularly. But for people to take out their anger at the actual criminal and criminally negligent on the complete innocents who live in and around the area, and in fact could not have done a damn thing to stop this, no matter what you may have implied, appalls me as well. The concierge at the hotel couldn't have stopped this, but you're willing to shutter his hotel. The lunch lady at the diner down the street would never have known, but you've just said "they['re] get[ting] everything they deserve." How many innocents need to suffer before your anger at the real criminals will be satisfied?

And aren't all lose local business going to be effected by this scandal anyways? If you don't think they will take a hit in some way shape or form if it's from less people supporting the team/school etc etc your crazy. I think a lot of people might think twice before they decide to go to Penn Sate for school don't you think? And yet the people at the school knew it was going on and did nothing. I'm sorry that some hotels might have to close if they take the football program away but it's Penn Sates own doing. Maybe they should have been worried about not only the repercussions their school could have faced maybe they should have been worried about the local community too. But seeing as they didn't even care about 10 year old kids lives being ruined I'm guessing they didn't care too much about the diner down the street. I mean as long as there was football on Saturdays who cares right?

I totally understand that those local business and such shouldn't have to lose business or be affected by this but people involved with the school knowingly let someone use their school as some kind of sex playground to rape 10 year olds. This isn't some little thing that's going to go away if they keep the football program or not, this is some major major stuff. And someone on ESPN today made a good point: what did we know 5 days ago, even 1 day ago to what we know now. This isn't going to get better, what do you think we will know in a month or two. I think this is going to get A LOT worse and it will be a permanent stain on the school forever that will effect all those local business you talk about anyways, the damage has already been done. If local business have to be effected so be it because they don't deserve to have a football program period.

[CreedP]

I admire the 'wrath of god' enthusiasm here toward child molestation, but I think some of the ideas are.. well, flat out ridiculous.

John Brown* runs a pawn shop.  He knew nothing about any of this until he hears it on the news.  With these 'burn Penn State to the ground' ideas, he loses a lot of business.. and why?  He had nothing to do with it, yet he's punished anyway.

Cody Myers was a high school football player from a bad neighborhood who 'rose above' and got a scholarship to Penn State, lucky enough to go to a major school and play football.  Now he's got no school program, and as he had nothing to do with these horrible actions, he would gladly carry a torch and pitchfork to burn the evildoers.... but now he has no football program, no school, and loses out for something he wasn't involved in.
*names changed to protect the innocent, lol

Again, I admire the enthusiasm, but some of the hatred in this thread is over the top, in a scary fashion.  I mean, while you're at it, why not blame all of Pennsylvania, since that's the state that allowed it to happen?  Hell, why not blame America, its clear a 'country full of child molesters and supports'.  While you're at it, why not fly a plane into Penn State and kill thousands of innocents for your beliefs?

Seriously, guys...  where does the hatred stop?

CREED

[JDub]

I admire the 'wrath of god' enthusiasm here toward child molestation, but I think some of the ideas are.. well, flat out ridiculous.

John Brown* runs a pawn shop.  He knew nothing about any of this until he hears it on the news.  With these 'burn Penn State to the ground' ideas, he loses a lot of business.. and why?  He had nothing to do with it, yet he's punished anyway.

Cody Myers was a high school football player from a bad neighborhood who 'rose above' and got a scholarship to Penn State, lucky enough to go to a major school and play football.  Now he's got no school program, and as he had nothing to do with these horrible actions, he would gladly carry a torch and pitchfork to burn the evildoers.... but now he has no football program, no school, and loses out for something he wasn't involved in.
*names changed to protect the innocent, lol

Again, I admire the enthusiasm, but some of the hatred in this thread is over the top, in a scary fashion.  I mean, while you're at it, why not blame all of Pennsylvania, since that's the state that allowed it to happen?  Hell, why not blame America, its clear a 'country full of child molesters and supports'.  While you're at it, why not fly a plane into Penn State and kill thousands of innocents for your beliefs?

Seriously, guys...  where does the hatred stop?

CREED

Well shouldn't the university be held responsible for the backlash it might cause to the local community for something that happened that they knew about? Like I said don't you think someone is going to think twice about enrolling and going to school at Penn State now? Don't you think some people might be ashamed to show up this weekend to the game and might not even bother because they don't want to support the school ever again or at least right now? How much money is the local economy going to lose just this weekend let alone over time because they have less students enrolling, less people supporting a school who let this happen? Those businesses are already being and will be effected by this no matter if they take the football program away, close the school, or don't do a damn thing. You say it's ridiculous to let those things happen to more innocent people but it's already started. So I agree with you it is ridiculous that they will have to suffer over this even though they had nothing to do with it, if only the school would have done the right thing...

[Daeva]

Well shouldn't the university be held responsible for the backlash it might cause to the local community for something that happened that they knew about?

The university? Yeah, sure. The students? Local businesses? No, not at all. Just sitting there and busting up the university is only going to hurt more people. If you want to hit the university, then make them pay the rest of the tuition for all of their current, active students.

[JDub]

Well shouldn't the university be held responsible for the backlash it might cause to the local community for something that happened that they knew about?

The university? Yeah, sure. The students? Local businesses? No, not at all. Just sitting there and busting up the university is only going to hurt more people. If you want to hit the university, then make them pay the rest of the tuition for all of their current, active students.

Again aren't the student's and local businesses being effected anyways? Is not Penn Sate responsible for it because they let this happen?

The bomb the school thing was more of a joke obviously, not that they don't deserve it. But I wouldn't be surprised if they took the football program away. Again if that happens it will probably just be the tip if the iceberg for the punishment that the school and any others involved or not will have to deal with. And again who's fault is it? Just because there were only a handful of people involved in this that should be punished doesn't mean that many many more innocent people won't be effected by it one way or another, welcome to life gentlemen.

[Daeva]

There's a pretty sharp difference between "they're going to be affected anyway" and "well, let's eff up some more things because we're mad and damn the consequences". You don't fight a fire by lighting the rest of the house on fire.

[Theren]

Another thing to keep in mind, is that no matter how much faith you have in your respective media information source, there is no such thing as impartial news. Any story that comes out is going to be spun in some way to reflect the way they feel about the report. The only people that know what actually happened in that room are sandusky, the minor in question, Mike McQueary and whatever form of higher power exists

[JDub]

Another thing to keep in mind, is that no matter how much faith you have in your respective media information source, there is no such thing as impartial news. Any story that comes out is going to be spun in some way to reflect the way they feel about the report. The only people that know what actually happened in that room are sandusky, the minor in question, Mike McQueary and whatever form of higher power exists

Yeah except for the fact that McQueary and Paterno testified in front of a Grand Jury and were found to be credible. Here is the Grand Jury's unbiased report if anyone wants to read it, but be warned.

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

[Theren]

I don't know, it brings up alot of suspicion about what was going on when even the lawyers of the victims were pissed off that they fired Paterno. That and the fact that the D.A. who investigated the 1998 allegations and decided not to file charges about him having gone missing and being declared dead at the request of his daughter.

[Queensryche]

I also hope the Cornhuskers pound Penn States Cornhuskers this weekend then Wisconsin finishes them off last game of the season and takes the spot in the Big Ten Championship game away from them.

They have their chance. And I'm hoping the same thing.

Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it.