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[Queensryche]

Well, after a couple years of things going "right" (ie. two unbeaten teams facing off), we've got another mess where there's only one BCS conference team unbeaten, and the other is a non-BCS school that's not gonna get the boost to get into the title game. So now it comes down to who the other BCS conference team that gets into the title game.

Unless Georgia absolutely destroys LSU, the Tigers are getting in. And now the likelihood is that there will be a rematch between LSU and Alabama. The 2005-2006 season had controversy when a potential Ohio State/Michigan rematch for the National Championship was blocked with Florida getting enough of a boost to get into the title game. I'm sure fans of Big Ten teams don't wanna hear about a rematch.

The only possible way at this point I see a team taking Alabama's spot is if OK State drubs Oklahoma in their game, but I don't see it happening, because a team like Oklahoma can make quick work of OK State's defense and keep up the scoring pace with them. But who knows? For some reason the computers LOVE OK State and even a 10-14 point margin of victory might be enough to boost them into the title game. I don't think Stanford will get the help they need should OK State lose, and a two-loss team making it is out of the question.

Plain and simple, it's a mess.

[Turd Ferguson]

The polls won't drop Alabama because the media loves the SEC way too much to let that happen.

[CreedP]

When politics overwhelms common sense.  In a word?  PLAYOFFS. 

Ugh.

CREED

[Turd Ferguson]

Pretty much my thoughts, I really would love to see at least a plus one system, but I think an eight team playoff is the best way to go.

[njbrock22]

they COULD Do like D-I AA does and just shorten the season by 1-3 games and go with a 12-20 team playoff and USE the existing Bowl Games as playoff seeds for the second round and first round have the higher ranked team of the pairings host the game, this way you have ALL the conference champs + any team that is high enough in the polls(16th or higher usually) and can determine a TRUE champ, now as stated a long time ago, is this gonna happen... NO... why?  Because every conference gets a share of the revenue from their bowls and if you take say... 15 bowls away for a 16 team playoff then some conferences only get money for one bowl and that will tick the representatives of each conference off, sad but true... the BCS i think has proven itself flawed for the last 4 years by skipping over undefeated deserving teams or even 1 loss teams from lower level conferences who BEAT tough competition... in leu of putting in a team from one of the big 5 conferences that is just above Mediocre instead... sad thing is, Houston is gonna be 13-0 and be relligated to a christmas eve bowl instead of a BCS Bowl, and same will happen to Boise even if TCU loses at Vegas... and Bama will get in to the BCS title game HAVING NOT PLAYED a championship game(this matters in a conference that HAS a championship game, if it was the big East i wouldn't care if they were the champs outright)... but yeah... this just infuriates me that of the 6 levels of 4 year University and College Football in the US that 5 can use a playoff system and do it right EVERY YEAR, yet the Highest Level cant even do it right... i may just be frustrated because we have a similar process down here in my state for high school football to determine WHO gets into the playoffs and who doesn't but eh...

N.J.

[Queensryche]

they COULD Do like D-I AA does and just shorten the season by 1-3 games and go with a 12-20 team playoff and USE the existing Bowl Games as playoff seeds for the second round and first round have the higher ranked team of the pairings host the game, this way you have ALL the conference champs + any team that is high enough in the polls(16th or higher usually) and can determine a TRUE champ, now as stated a long time ago, is this gonna happen... NO... why?  Because every conference gets a share of the revenue from their bowls and if you take say... 15 bowls away for a 16 team playoff then some conferences only get money for one bowl and that will tick the representatives of each conference off, sad but true... the BCS i think has proven itself flawed for the last 4 years by skipping over undefeated deserving teams or even 1 loss teams from lower level conferences who BEAT tough competition... in leu of putting in a team from one of the big 5 conferences that is just above Mediocre instead... sad thing is, Houston is gonna be 13-0 and be relligated to a christmas eve bowl instead of a BCS Bowl, and same will happen to Boise even if TCU loses at Vegas... and Bama will get in to the BCS title game HAVING NOT PLAYED a championship game(this matters in a conference that HAS a championship game, if it was the big East i wouldn't care if they were the champs outright)... but yeah... this just infuriates me that of the 6 levels of 4 year University and College Football in the US that 5 can use a playoff system and do it right EVERY YEAR, yet the Highest Level cant even do it right... i may just be frustrated because we have a similar process down here in my state for high school football to determine WHO gets into the playoffs and who doesn't but eh...

N.J.

Actually, you're wrong about Houston.

If they win their conference and finish in the Top 12 (it'll happen), then they'll be guaranteed a BCS bowl. Boise won't get one because they didn't win the Mountain West. But yeah, Houston gets a spot if they win the C-USA title game.

[Queensryche]

Actually, you're wrong about Houston.

If they win their conference and finish in the Top 12 (it'll happen), then they'll be guaranteed a BCS bowl. Boise won't get one because they didn't win the Mountain West. But yeah, Houston gets a spot if they win the C-USA title game.

Oops, Houston couldn't finish the deal.

I'd say Oklahoma State made enough of a case to get in tonight. They utterly decimated Oklahoma. Hopefully the human polls throw enough of a bone to get them in, since the computers already love the Cowboys.

[Turd Ferguson]

I really hope they do drop Alabama and give us a new match up. I would love to see Oklahoma State's insane offense vs the dominant defense of LSU.

On a side note Michigan may have nudged their way into a possible BCS bowl berth as well. We'll have to see what the final rankings are, but if Michigan gets in the top 14 they would make their way into either the Sugar Bowl (if Alabama is #2) or the Fiesta Bowl (if Ok. State is #2).

[Queensryche]

I really hope they do drop Alabama and give us a new match up. I would love to see Oklahoma State's insane offense vs the dominant defense of LSU.

On a side note Michigan may have nudged their way into a possible BCS bowl berth as well. We'll have to see what the final rankings are, but if Michigan gets in the top 14 they would make their way into either the Sugar Bowl (if Alabama is #2) or the Fiesta Bowl (if Ok. State is #2).

Hopefully the sentiment that stopped an Ohio State/Michigan rematch for 2006 comes back and gives OK State enough of a nudge up.

From what I've seen recently though, the conference commissioners are warming up to the idea of a playoff. I remember Jim Delaney of the Big Ten say that a playoff would be more fair and more profitable, and SEC Commissioner Mike Silve saying that a playoff is not only doable, but would be easy to figure out. I'd personally prefer a 12-team playoff, with a transparent selection committee comprised of both major and mid-major conference officials picking who's in and who's out.

I know the BCS's contract with the NCAA is up soon, and recently they proposed ONLY setting the championship game. I take that as a sign that the conferences want a playoff.

EDIT: Interesting how OK State head coach Mike Gundy went from being the "I'M A MAN! I'M 40!" guy to a top-flight coach and hilariously bad dance machine. But hey, he's won enough recently to convince everyone to forget the infamous rant.

[StraightEdge0722]

I am in favor of having ok st in the national title game. I feel that they have won the right to be in the game. They have only lost one gamewhich was in overtime but given there circumstances that week heading into the game, they were in a bad state but they came back from it and have won all the important games inuding the big 12 title against a team they hadn't beat in many years. Forthe case of Alabama they are a very good team don't get me wrong but they if they play for thenational title without even winning there conference championship there is somethng wrong with that equation. I man look at many teams that were not able to play for the national Title but won theconference championship. 2004 auburn goes undefeated but doesn't play for the national title. All in all the two best teams show play and a rematch is inevitable unfortunately.

[Queensryche]

I am in favor of having ok st in the national title game. I feel that they have won the right to be in the game. They have only lost one gamewhich was in overtime but given there circumstances that week heading into the game, they were in a bad state but they came back from it and have won all the important games inuding the big 12 title against a team they hadn't beat in many years. Forthe case of Alabama they are a very good team don't get me wrong but they if they play for thenational title without even winning there conference championship there is somethng wrong with that equation. I man look at many teams that were not able to play for the national Title but won theconference championship. 2004 auburn goes undefeated but doesn't play for the national title. All in all the two best teams show play and a rematch is inevitable unfortunately.

Slight correction: the loss was in double overtime. I also don't think it too damaging because it was an away game. Alabama meanwhile lost their game at home, so I think that should ding them, even if the loss was to LSU.

[Turd Ferguson]

To be fair Mike Gundy's rant was protecting his quarterback from negative media attention and worked like a charm. He was just angry because a local newspaper said something really bad about his player in an article and blew up.

I still have the feeling the SEC media machine is going to win. The SEC title game was basically a three hour long "this is why Alabama is better than Oklahoma State advertisement.

[Queensryche]

To be fair Mike Gundy's rant was protecting his quarterback from negative media attention and worked like a charm. He was just angry because a local newspaper said something really bad about his player in an article and blew up.

I still have the feeling the SEC media machine is going to win. The SEC title game was basically a three hour long "this is why Alabama is better than Oklahoma State advertisement.

True about Gundy's rant, because the article in question took some REALLY cheap shots and said some utterly untrue things about Bobby Reid, the player in question.

As for the SEC title game..........the way the commentators were saying things really put me off, and afterwards all I thought was, "If OK State slaughters Oklahoma, I'd put them in just to stick it to Verne Lundquist." Apparently a considerable number of voters were put off as well.

[Turd Ferguson]

Hopefully they do. The sad thing is it's the exact same thing they did in 2006 to screw over Michigan too. I hate how the SEC has both CBS and ESPN mindlessly pining for them at every turn.

[njbrock22]

so the top 5...

LSU #1(Won the SEC)
Bama #2(sat on their A## this week)
OK State #3(Won the Big XII)
Stanford #4(sat on their A## this week)
Oregon #5(Won Pac12)

bleh... moral of the story... sit on your A## and you'll get in OVER a champion('bama) or be ranked HIGHER than a champion(Stanford)... yeah i think this proves the BCS and ALL it's components are NOT working... scrap it, move on...

also Boise is #7... yet are relegated to playing a December 22 game against a MEH at best Arizona State team... really... REALLY??? *sigh*

And to Re-iderate what Kirk Herbstreet just said... "So it's come down to what team will Travel, bring enough fans and are close enough to the bowl game when choosing a BCS At Large"  what he was refering to was the cotton bowl... which chose Michigan(ok i agree with this) and Va Tech... a team that LOST HANDILLY to Clemson... instead of teams that were still on the board at that time in Georgia, Boise & Kansas State... it would have made MUCH more sense to take any of those 3 than Va Tech... hell even Clemson would have made sense... bleh

N.J.

[Queensryche]

It's the Sugar Bowl, not the Cotton Bowl. But they might as well call it the "Ratings and Ticket Sales Whores" Bowl. No offense meant to you Turd, because Michigan deserved one (I'm REALLY liking Brady Hoke now and think he was the right choice). But much like what Brock just said about VA Tech...........no, just no. I hope Michigan slaughters them.

The biggest BS about the BCS is the fact that of those six computer rankings, five are so unknown that not even the BCS administrators know ANYTHING about the formulas used to calculate the standings. And that's because their creators claim proprietary rights. The one that is known was so flawed that the guy who created it had some fellow mathematicians help him correct it.

I know a Facebook movement was made to boycott the title game if it ended up being LSU vs. Alabama. I say people boycott that and watch OSU vs. Stanford instead.

[StraightEdge0722]

The BCS is complete BS I agree with you.......I agree that Michigan deserved to get in a high ranked game, but seriously come on.....I have been looking at all the bowls and can't get over the fact of the title game.  LSU is going to win the game and for the fifth straight year a SEC team gets the prize, I mean give another conference a chance at it, I understand that the SEC is the best conference to play football in but you might as well just have the commissioner of the SEC walk on the field and say thanks for the paycheck to the conference especially this year when there are two SEC teams playing for the title.

[njbrock22]

i think i'm only watching TWO bowls period anyway... the Arizona State/Boise Game and the Vandy/Cincy game(and we better crush the cats...) i'm gonna post up the whole schedual in another topic and have a bit of a pick-em going on there.

N.J.

[StraightEdge0722]

I am looking forward to the Houston vs Penn State game.  I know the skepticism behind that game but the fact is they are both good teams and should be an interesting game.  I am surprise at how Purdue got into a bowl game this year.  I live in the same city as the purdue school and still don't get it.  Oh wait that is because I care only about good games.  When Purdue is on I am mainly watching games that won't be a blowout or seem to be a blowout.  IE Florida State vs Oklahoma, Stanford vs Oregon.

[CreedP]

Having a rerun for a National Championship Bowl game is retarded.  LSU wins again.  At least the fans would have seen something different with OSU vs. LSU.

Again.  Playoffs.  These guys are morons, as more games = more money for the schools.

CREED

[njbrock22]

Again.  Playoffs.  These guys are morons, as more games = more money for the schools.

CREED

one small problem creed... YES More games = more money... but the problem is it'd only be about 1/4 of what they'd make thru Advertising and sponsorship money(TO THE CONFERENCE AS A WHOLE) for each bowl that a conference goes to... the ONLY way to fix this and slowly wean it away... is to use say the top 7(4 quarters, 2 semi's and championship) bowls and use them as playoff sites and have the say first round of 16 teams played at the higher ranked team's site and STILL keep bowl bids intact for those who do at least 6-6(maybe up to 7-5 to save headaches or even allow FCS teams that don't make the playoffs[or conference champs that don't get invites at that level] into the bowls to fill out open spots). eh i never see it happening until the entire NCAA as a whole decides to just tell the BCS to stick it...

Also, the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl will FOREVER be known after this year as the "Why the hell were these 2 teams even in bowl games bowl"

N.J.

[CreedP]

See, I would have figured it the other way... you have the playoffs to determine who GOES to the bowls, and the losing teams set up the other bowls (since they'd be playing in that neighborhood anyway).  So if you have a 'rematch' championship game like we have this year, its because that #2 team beat all the other teams, not because a computer or some coaches vote for 'em lol.

Meanwhile, yes, they don't make 100% of the money, but let's face it.  For everyone except the players (and even that's debatable, lol), college ball is a business.  And making more money from more butts in the seats, more advertising from TV time, more souvenirs, etc will all add up.

Also, the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl sounds so irrelevant that it would only matter if the losing team was cooked and fed to the homeless or something...

CREED

[Turd Ferguson]

The obvious solution to keep the money grab while having a playoff would be to have a playoff (whether it's 4/6/8/12 whatever team brackets) and then have enough consolation bowls to make it equal to now. So say this year they had a four team playoff (my preferred solution) you would have situation like this:

1 LSU vs 4 Stanford
2 Alabama vs 3 Oklahoma State

and then keep all the other bowls the same as they are now. The only difference is that the winners of those two games would play each other. I haven't seen any year where a team ranked outside the top 4 would have a legit case for being excluded and it keeps the "every game is important" aura of college football.

[BigPimpin]

I jusr have one question...how in the hell can you go 2-6 in your division and still geta bowl game?  And I'm not just picking on the Fight Hunger Bowl either...Miss State placed 10th in their own conference and is still playing in a postseason bowl. I'm sorry but if there's not enough teams with .500+ in their own conference to fill all the bowls then the number should shrink PS: Yes I know its money driven but it still angers me as a casual fan to see a 10th place team with a 2-6 conf record in a bowl.

[njbrock22]

I jusr have one question...how in the hell can you go 2-6 in your division and still geta bowl game?  And I'm not just picking on the Fight Hunger Bowl either...Miss State placed 10th in their own conference and is still playing in a postseason bowl. I'm sorry but if there's not enough teams with .500+ in their own conference to fill all the bowls then the number should shrink PS: Yes I know its money driven but it still angers me as a casual fan to see a 10th place team with a 2-6 conf record in a bowl.

also to re-iderate, 4-0 out of conference(including a win over a LOW TIER FCS team) does not overcome 2-6 in conference...

N.J.

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