David Stern's screw-up

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[Queensryche]

So I'm sure those of you that follow the NBA know about the three way deal which would've seen the Lakers land Chris Paul, and how it was scuttled by David Stern because Mark Cuban and Dan Gilbert whined about it. In Mark Cuban's case, he whined because it wasn't him getting CP3. In Dan Gilbert's case, he's still butthurt over Lebron James leaving and needed to vent some more.

What happened was utter bulls**t, because the NBA refused to keep a promise it had made (letting the Hornets run themselves as they see fit) and because David Stern turned into Dave Dickless and let two of the league's biggest, whiniest bitches intimidate him into stopping the trade.

First off, this wasn't dumping a soon-to-be leaving player for expiring contracts/cap space. This was a deal in which the Hornets would've gotten a VERY nice haul (three excellent players, a guy with big upside, and a 1st round pick) and the Rockets could've continued to rebuild (they land Pau Gasol and clear enough cap space to sign almost anyone they wanted). If anything, the Lakers would've taken the most risk, giving up the second-best big man in the league and the reigning Sixth Man (who's a sixth man only because, well, he plays for the Lakers) for Chris Paul. But I'm sure all Cuban and Gilbert saw was "Paul to Lakers" and thus, their hissy-fit.

Cuban was simply being self-serving with his complaining, but with Dan Gilbert (whom I now loathe more than any other owner in sports), it was a case of lingering butthurt over Lebron's exit, as well as probably jealousy that the Lakers were gonna get another star. News flash Dan: it's always gonna be that way in the NBA. Kids are gonna want to play for the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, etc. because that's where the history and glamor are. No one has ever wanted to go somewhere like Milwaukee, Charlotte, or Sacramento. They're just not great places for basketball, either because the town isn't that great or because the NBA is an afterthought there. And this isn't gonna stop the Lakers from getting stars. They'll always get them, because it's F**KING LOS ANGELES. It always has been and always will be a place where guys wanna go to play.

This move by the league not only screwed the three teams involved, but it also screwed the Knicks (who after believing they weren't gonna land CP3, got Tyson Chandler) and the Celtics (who now have to explain to Rajon Rondo why they were trying to trade him).

To conclude, the league screwed up, they should realize it, and let the trade go though. I'm hearing Chris Paul, the Rockets, and the Lakers are considering suing the league. I would. There's an argument to be made that this is restraint of trade (no pun intended) and collusion.

[cfones]

Well the league has the right to veto any trade that is why all trades need league approval to be made. It also sounded like more than two owners complained about this trade. Not that I am any fan of stern with a lot of his past moves or non-moves. Yes a lot of players want to play in LA, Bos, or where ever the big name players are 'ie Miami. The big factor was that at this time could the Lakers get Paul and Howard like the reports have been with out trading for them. I think that it's nuts that just caned the deal, thou there is talk that they are working on a new offer with more compensation being offered in money and draft picks. Still at this point the league has not changed and it will be star driven with the players running the league and the owners not really having much of a say, with super teams in the major markets as those owners will have the money to pay out while smaller markets will have playoff games or close and lose there star players to free agency to be in the big markets or win a title.

[dilbert505]

And this isn't gonna stop the Lakers from getting stars. They'll always get them, because it's F**KING LOS ANGELES. It always has been and always will be a place where guys wanna go to play.

I agree in part, and disagree in part, with the other stuff you discussed, but this caught my attention enough to pull it out.

The Lakers don't get stars because it's Los Angeles. When was the last time the Clippers pulled in a big name? They get stars because they're the Lakers. Same reason the Celtics will always be able to reel in guys who wouldn't consider other teams: they're the glamor teams. They're the Yankees and Red Sox, the Cowboys and Steelers. They're who people think of when you say "NBA." That's why they get stars, and why people want to play there; they've been dreaming of it since they were children. The adult star remembers the child's dream.

[rocky_iwata]

Looks like NO is trying to make another deal to ship Chris Paul to LA again, and I could be done by today. But at the end of the trade, the league's and David Stern's images might never be recovered because of this d!ck move.

On the other side, Portland Trail Blazers are now also totally f**ked up. Brandon Roy is retiring because of his lingering knee problems. Greg "Mr. Glass" Oden is still not ready to return this season. Lamarcus Aldridge will be sidelined due to heart problem. Wow, poor Blazers and their fans to see things crumbling down fast like this.

[cfones]

on the Blazers side true with B-Roy and Oden but Aldridge will only miss some time with the heart issue abd it will be in camp this is the same thing that happened to him in his rookie season and is being taken care of, he undergoes these tests every year sence then for it. still it sucks as a Blazer fan right now for shure.

[piperspitt]

Do we really need to use foul language in the subject title? I leave TCO up at home and work and can live with it in the body, but not the title.
  As for the thread. I can totally understand why it's blocked, it's a terrible trade. The Hornets need Chris Paul to have any success. That being said, they will lose him and get nothing in return if they don't trade him. The Hornets lose either way, but much worse by keeping him. The NBA should have done some sort of draft compensation for losing top tier free agents.

[Queensryche]

Do we really need to use foul language in the subject title? I leave TCO up at home and work and can live with it in the body, but not the title.
  As for the thread. I can totally understand why it's blocked, it's a terrible trade. The Hornets need Chris Paul to have any success. That being said, they will lose him and get nothing in return if they don't trade him. The Hornets lose either way, but much worse by keeping him. The NBA should have done some sort of draft compensation for losing top tier free agents.

How was it a terrible trade? Out of anyone, the Hornets made out the best, because they would've gotten Lamar Odom, Luis Scola, and Kevin Martin, all of them excellent players, along with Goran Dragic (who's got huge upside) and a 1st-round pick. If anything, the Lakers were taking on the most risk, because they were giving up most of their front-court size for Chris Paul and his surgically-repaired knee. Houston would've gotten a good deal as well, because they would've gotten Pau Gasol (whose talents are the most like Yao Ming's) and enough cap space to sign another big name. In fact, Hornets GM Dell Demps was being congratulated by other GMs for turning CP3 into those four players and a pick. It was a fair deal for all involved.

As for the thread title, I will keep that in mind in the future and not use any more expletives.

[piperspitt]

If I were running a team, I would build by trading a couple of good players for a great player.  Paul is by far the best of those players, if free agency wasn't pending, I doubt they would make that trade.

[Queensryche]

If I were running a team, I would build by trading a couple of good players for a great player.  Paul is by far the best of those players, if free agency wasn't pending, I doubt they would make that trade.

But there's the key: he's gonna be a free agent.

The trade Dell Demps put together defies the normal logic of trading a player pending free agency: you shouldn't be able to trade away a superstar and end up with a team that'll still be competitive. A team trading a player who's gonna be a free agent has no leverage. But Demps was able to do just that, because the Lakers wanted Paul that badly and because he was able to find a third team (Houston) that was interested in the piece he wasn't interested in (Gasol) and willing to deal.

I could be wrong, but I think you're in the minority on this one Piper. This was a fair trade and all three teams would've been winners: the Hornets stay competitive, Houston's rebuilding period is shortened, and the Lakers get a point guard, which has by far been their Achilles Heel the past several seasons. The reaction I got from others when I told them what the deal was gonna be was disbelief that the Hornets got so much in return.

[piperspitt]

Right, that's why I clarified that it was a bad trade IF free agency wasn't pending.

[Turd Ferguson]

I think Houston may have gotten the short end of the stick, because they gave up a lot just to get Gasol and cap space. The Hornets got incredible value out of the deal so I don't understand why it got vetoed. Scola and Martin are both very good players who have All-Star potential, Odom is great but aging talent and they get a draft pick. That's a hell of a lot better than the whole bag of nothing Cleveland got for LeBron James leaving to Miami.

[Scotty]

The Lakers don't get stars because it's Los Angeles. When was the last time the Clippers pulled in a big name? They get stars because they're the Lakers.

Hmm...might have to eat your words soon. After drafting Griffen and now landing Chris Paul, Clippers will soon be pulling in stars - just you wait and see.

[Queensryche]

The Lakers don't get stars because it's Los Angeles. When was the last time the Clippers pulled in a big name? They get stars because they're the Lakers.

Hmm...might have to eat your words soon. After drafting Griffen and now landing Chris Paul, Clippers will soon be pulling in stars - just you wait and see.

On Chris Paul to the Clippers:

I dunno if they'll win enough to get into the playoffs, but that'll be one HELL of a team to watch, just to see CP3 lob it up to Rocket Red.

[Turd Ferguson]

The Lakers don't get stars because it's Los Angeles. When was the last time the Clippers pulled in a big name? They get stars because they're the Lakers.

Hmm...might have to eat your words soon. After drafting Griffen and now landing Chris Paul, Clippers will soon be pulling in stars - just you wait and see.

Chris Paul is a two year rental and they don't even have a Center on the roster right now. Unless they get some other good players on that team they're going to be back to garbage in two years.

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