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[rocky_iwata]

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Tebow wins.  

[piperspitt]

Moar cowbell for Rocky. I have always hated the Broncos until this season.

[rocky_iwata]

Moar cowbell for Rocky. I have always hated the Broncos until this season.

Tebow, and Broncos' defense nonetheless, is just so fun to watch.

[The Softcore Legend]

Yes, fun game. I too was rooting for Tebow.  Congrats.

Although I was REALLY hoping for the longest field goal attempt in NFL history by the Steelers.

Watch out Packers!  Here come the Giants!

[Queensryche]

Moar cowbell for Rocky. I have always hated the Broncos until this season.

Funny, I'm the opposite. I now hate the Broncos because of Tebow. Why?

-I hate that Tebow gets all the credit when the Bronco defense deserves at least half of it.
-I hate that people who know nothing about football INSIST some day he'll be an accurate passer (He won't).
-I hate that people who DO know football INSIST that the Broncos can win long term with Tebow (They won't).
-I hate that I have to hear that effing idiot Skip Bayless fawn over Tebow every time the Broncos win.
-I hate that the Fundamentalist Right attacks ANYONE who DARES criticize Tebow's QB play or makes a joke about him.

So yeah, I'll say it. I hate Tebow and the icon he's become for the sheep that are his fans. I have no problem with Tebow the human being or Tebow the football player. But Tebow the Icon I can't stand.

I look forward to the Patriots crushing the Broncos.

[piperspitt]

Fundamentally Joe Montana was an average QB, but like Tebow, he was a leader that could get the best out of those around him. Quarterbacks and coaches tend to get credit for wins and blame for losses (ie. Peyton Manning this season). Obviously there are 21 other guys on tbe field at the same time. I pull for Tebow because there are so many haters out there. That was me with Montana who "averaged" his name into the greatest of all-time conversation. Tebow will continue to receive that credit and blame just like the President getting the same for what congress does or doesn't do.

[Queensryche]

Fundamentally Joe Montana was an average QB, but like Tebow, he was a leader that could get the best out of those around him. Quarterbacks and coaches tend to get credit for wins and blame for losses (ie. Peyton Manning this season). Obviously there are 21 other guys on tbe field at the same time. I pull for Tebow because there are so many haters out there. That was me with Montana who "averaged" his name into the greatest of all-time conversation. Tebow will continue to receive that credit and blame just like the President getting the same for what congress does or doesn't do.

Joe Montana could complete over half his passes. Tebow couldn't if his life depended on it. Joe Montana also has four rings. Tebow will be lucky to get one, and he'll probably get it riding a bench somewhere.

And when has Tebow EVER gotten blame for a loss? I saw the sheep blaming the defense or the coaching or something other than him when the Broncos lost the last three of the season.

[CRASHER]

Keep in mind that Vince Young was also that "guy who just won" for the first three years of his career.....then he got exposed....though least he could throw the ball down the field sans the "Wobbling DUCK OF DOOOMMMM" trait being attached to it....

the Steelers were a team RIPE for the picking....no RB, missing a safety, the RB Coach got burned in a fire, Ben was hobbling around (mostly due to stupidity and insisting on playing him in a mean nothing game last week), and I think any of the 11 other teams who made the playoffs would have sniped the Steelers yesterday.....

Just to kick y'all back on topic, least the Lions put up a helluva fight on Saturday, more then Atlanta and even the Bengals did once JJ Watt pick 6'ed em

[piperspitt]

It sounds like you're blaming Tebow right here. Everything I listened to after those Broncos losses had the hosts saying "see I told you so, Tebow is not good and will never win a playoff game." some even said yesterday would be his last ever start for the Broncos.

Fundamentally Joe Montana was an average QB, but like Tebow, he was a leader that could get the best out of those around him. Quarterbacks and coaches tend to get credit for wins and blame for losses (ie. Peyton Manning this season). Obviously there are 21 other guys on tbe field at the same time. I pull for Tebow because there are so many haters out there. That was me with Montana who "averaged" his name into the greatest of all-time conversation. Tebow will continue to receive that credit and blame just like the President getting the same for what congress does or doesn't do.

Joe Montana could complete over half his passes. Tebow couldn't if his life depended on it. Joe Montana also has four rings. Tebow will be lucky to get one, and he'll probably get it riding a bench somewhere.

And when has Tebow EVER gotten blame for a loss? I saw the sheep blaming the defense or the coaching or something other than him when the Broncos lost the last three of the season.

[Theren]

Joe Montana could complete over half his passes. Tebow couldn't if his life depended on it. Joe Montana also has four rings. Tebow will be lucky to get one, and he'll probably get it riding a bench somewhere.

He has completed over half his passes at least once, take a look at the stats for the Chicago game.

[piperspitt]

Throwing the ball away when nobody is open is a damn good incompletion. Other quarterbacks "complete" those passes to the other team. Tebow may never be an All-Pro or hall of famer, but he's still a winner.

[Theren]

Ok, first of all, why are you comparing Tebow to Montana to begin with, you are talking about a person that is in their second season ever as compared to someone who played 15 years, yeah his stats are going to be better. If you really want to compare things, compare their second seasons specifically. Sure, Montana in his second season had about 20% higher completion and 3 more touchdowns then where Tebow is sitting now, he still only had 66 more passing yards and threw half again as many interceptions. He also played twice as many games his first season then Tebow and if the broncos lose next week the same amount in his second season.

[CreedP]

I must have missed the part where Joe Montana and/or Tim Tebow got traded to the Lions...

Man, I swear.. sports is becoming the new 'religion/politics' lol

CREED

[piperspitt]

Ok, first of all, why are you comparing Tebow to Montana to begin with, you are talking about a person that is in their second season ever as compared to someone who played 15 years, yeah his stats are going to be better. If you really want to compare things, compare their second seasons specifically. Sure, Montana in his second season had about 20% higher completion and 3 more touchdowns then where Tebow is sitting now, he still only had 66 more passing yards and threw half again as many interceptions. He also played twice as many games his first season then Tebow and if the broncos lose next week the same amount in his second season.

Calm down there speedy,I was comparing young Montana to young Tebow.  Keep in mind that as awesome as statistics are, the tell a much smaller piece of the story in football than in any other major sport.

[Theren]

Ok, first of all, why are you comparing Tebow to Montana to begin with, you are talking about a person that is in their second season ever as compared to someone who played 15 years, yeah his stats are going to be better. If you really want to compare things, compare their second seasons specifically. Sure, Montana in his second season had about 20% higher completion and 3 more touchdowns then where Tebow is sitting now, he still only had 66 more passing yards and threw half again as many interceptions. He also played twice as many games his first season then Tebow and if the broncos lose next week the same amount in his second season.

Calm down there speedy,I was comparing young Montana to young Tebow.  Keep in mind that as awesome as statistics are, the tell a much smaller piece of the story in football than in any other major sport.

Oh no, I understand what you are saying, my issue is with the person going off about how he will never be anywhere near as good as Joe Montana and I was explaining that if he wants to compare the 2 to do it season by season and then he would see that the stats are actually pretty comparable.

[Antigoth]

So yeah... I jumped all over this and brought it over to its own topic, because I get the feeling this conversation is going to go on for a bit.

P.S. - Moar Cowbell for Rocky

[Queensryche]

It sounds like you're blaming Tebow right here. Everything I listened to after those Broncos losses had the hosts saying "see I told you so, Tebow is not good and will never win a playoff game." some even said yesterday would be his last ever start for the Broncos.

Fundamentally Joe Montana was an average QB, but like Tebow, he was a leader that could get the best out of those around him. Quarterbacks and coaches tend to get credit for wins and blame for losses (ie. Peyton Manning this season). Obviously there are 21 other guys on tbe field at the same time. I pull for Tebow because there are so many haters out there. That was me with Montana who "averaged" his name into the greatest of all-time conversation. Tebow will continue to receive that credit and blame just like the President getting the same for what congress does or doesn't do.

Joe Montana could complete over half his passes. Tebow couldn't if his life depended on it. Joe Montana also has four rings. Tebow will be lucky to get one, and he'll probably get it riding a bench somewhere.

And when has Tebow EVER gotten blame for a loss? I saw the sheep blaming the defense or the coaching or something other than him when the Broncos lost the last three of the season.

Sure, pro football pundits will blame Tebow (except Skip Bayless, but he's a effing moron, so in his case it's explainable). But NONE of the Tebow fans will EVER blame him for a loss and then call you a hater if you make so much as one criticism of him.

The guy isn't an NFL QB. This won't last long.

[piperspitt]

Lol, he just started a playoff game in which they beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, I'm pretty sure you have to be an NFL quarterback to do that. Just because he plays the position differently than Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Phillip Rivers doesn't make him terrible. Bad stats combined with a poor record makes him terrible. So far the wins have been there. I'm not sure if you watched the game, but he made some beautiful throws for a change, and threw the ball away when needed.

[Queensryche]

Lol, he just started a playoff game in which they beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, I'm pretty sure you have to be an NFL quarterback to do that. Just because he plays the position differently than Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Phillip Rivers doesn't make him terrible. Bad stats combined with a poor record makes him terrible. So far the wins have been there. I'm not sure if you watched the game, but he made some beautiful throws for a change, and threw the ball away when needed.

He wasn't winning those games when the Broncos went on that run after he was named the starter. If the defense can hold the opposing team to ten or less points, then it's anyone's ballgame, no matter how bad the QB is. Tebow can't win games by himself. He's more likely to cost his team the game than win it for them.

The Patriots exposed Tebow the first time and shredded the Bronco defense. They'll do it again.

Oh, and the Kansas City Chiefs faced Tebow a second time and COMPLETELY shut him down. Don't expect him to continue winning next season.

[piperspitt]

Just like you don't like people giving him all of the credit for the wins, you can't deny him credit for them either. The quarterback is the focal point of the offense and the main game manager. Tebow is a leader and the players buy into him. Just the fact that the not very good Bronco team rallys around him speaks volumes. While I'm not ready to predict Denver's 2012 record, I do believe that Tebow will still win, be inconsistent, and also improve some.

[Theren]

I do believe that the rest of the team makes a huge difference in how well someone looks on the field, but it is also been proven that people can be bad with one team and be traded and do phenomenal (example: Elvis Grbac). Sure the team may collapse and do bad in Denver and he may even be traded, but just because he is mediocre for an at best mediocre team does not automatically make him a bad quarterback. And before you try to say I'm being a Tebow fan, I don't like anything about Denver and I actually hope they win just so its an easier game then New England for Baltimore. I understand that you think the Tebow fans are being way too overzealous, but you aren't going to prove that point by being just as negative as they are positive about the guy, just makes you sound like someone who's team lost to Denver and is a sore loser.

[Queensryche]

I do believe that the rest of the team makes a huge difference in how well someone looks on the field, but it is also been proven that people can be bad with one team and be traded and do phenomenal (example: Elvis Grbac). Sure the team may collapse and do bad in Denver and he may even be traded, but just because he is mediocre for an at best mediocre team does not automatically make him a bad quarterback. And before you try to say I'm being a Tebow fan, I don't like anything about Denver and I actually hope they win just so its an easier game then New England for Baltimore. I understand that you think the Tebow fans are being way too overzealous, but you aren't going to prove that point by being just as negative as they are positive about the guy, just makes you sound like someone who's team lost to Denver and is a sore loser.

I'm an Eagles fan (or dog-hating piece of s**t, depending on your point of view). So it didn't happen.

[rocky_iwata]

Tebow is just a big, cross-shaped, lightning rod for the Broncos. Broncos' offensive line, among others, deserves a lot more credit in that game, but of course mainstream media don't really care. The team came in having its chance when Steelers were beaten up by injuries, yet is still a dangerous team nonetheless.

But yeah, Tebow does deliver in crunch times sometimes, and the "sometimes" happens to be the most important times for some reasons.

I would love to see Broncos be as competitive as the first game they met against the Patriots though. They lost but didn't that badly as many expected.

P.S. Thanks Goth for separate this into another thread, since when I posted I'm not sure it was worth another thread since there should have been one a long time ago but it hasn't.

[piperspitt]

I think the mainstream media is intentionally making Tebow divisive to keep people tuned in. He will eventually win enough or play poorly enough consistently to permanently sway the majority, but it will take some time. How many people thought Kurt Warner and Tom Brady were the next Mark Rypien? I'll admit that I didn't buy into Brady at first. I sure do now.

[Queensryche]

The Patriots exposed Tebow the first time and shredded the Bronco defense. They'll do it again.

SWEET VINDICATION!

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