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157/300
Undertaker (Superstar Card)
Starting Hand Size: 7
Superstar Value: 5
Superstar Ability:
Once during each of your turns, you may discard 2 cards.  If you do, choose 1 card in your Ringside and move it to your Hand.

158/300
Goonnngggg...
Pre-match Event (Undertaker Logo)
Your opponent’s next Pre-match card played is blank while this card is in your Ring.
You may put this card from your Ring into your Ringside to reverse any non-F:0 card.
Unique
F: 0      D: 0

159/300
Rest in Peace
Mid-match Action (Undertaker Logo)
Put your Arsenal into your Ringside, then search your Ringside for up to 6 cards, put them into your Arsenal, and shuffle your Arsenal.
Your Superstar Ability now reads as “Once during each of your turns, you may discard 1 card.  If you do, choose 1 card in your Ringside and move it to your Hand.”
You may not move cards from your Ringside into your Arsenal.
Unique
F: 24      D: 0

160/300
Tombstone Piledriver (Undertaker Logo)
Trademark Finisher / Action
As an action, this card is -30F and -25D.  Discard this card and draw 1 card.
Unique
HEAD
SV: 3
F: 30      D: 25

161/300
Undertaker Sits Up! (Undertaker Logo)
Reversal: Special
When overturned, reverse any non-Trademark Finisher maneuver.
At the start of your turn, before your Draw Segment, if this card is in your Ringside you may remove 5 cards in your Ringside from the game.  If you do, put this card on the bottom of your Arsenal.
This card is +#F, where # is your the number of cards in your Removed from Game Pile.
Unique
F: 10      D: 0

162/300
Look Into The Eyes of The Deadman (Undertaker Logo)
Action
Search your Arsenal for 1 non-Unique maneuver card, reveal it to your opponent, put it into your Hand, and shuffle your Arsenal.
(ACE) When this card is in your Ring, during your turn you may put this card into your Ringside.  If you do, search your Arsenal for one non-Unique Reversal card, reveal it to your opponent, put it into your Hand, shuffle your Arsenal, and discard 1 card.
Unique
F: 4      D: 0

187/300
John Cena (Superstar Card)
Starting Hand Size: 8
Superstar Value: 4
 Superstar Ability:
When you successfully play a maneuver, you may discard 1 card.  If you do, your opponent randomly discards 3 cards from his Backlash Deck.  For each Pre-match card discarded, your opponent randomly discards 1 card.

188/300
The Marine Salute (John Cena Logo)
Pre-match Event
When this card is in your Ring, if your opponent has a Pre-match Event in his Ring, his Pre-match cards played can only be “In-Ring Promo”.
Your Pre-match cards played can only be “In-Ring Promo”.
Unique
F: 0      D: 0

189/300
The Greatest Comeback in WWE History (John Cena Logo)
Mid-match Action
Can only be played if your opponent’s Fortitude Value is at least 30 more than yours or if you have 5 or less cards in your Arsenal.
Your next card played is F: 0 and is Unstoppable.
Unique
Unstoppable
F: 0      D: 0

190/300
F-U (John Cena Logo)
Trademark Finisher
Can only be played after a successfully played card.
Unique
BACK
SV: 3
F: 25      D: 25

191/300
STF-U (John Cena Logo)
Submission / Reversal: Submission
As a maneuver, can only be played after a successfully played maneuver, is +8D and cannot be reversed from your opponent’s Backlash Deck.
As a reversal, reverse any Submission.
Unique
BACK
F: 18      D: 7

192/300
You Can’t See Me (John Cena Logo)
Action / Reversal: Action
As an action, look at your opponent’s hand, choose 1 card, and he discards the chosen card.
As a reversal, reverse any non-Set-Up Action card.
When successfully played, draw cards equal to your Superstar Value.
Unique
F: 9      D: 0

193/300
JBL (Superstar Card)
Starting Hand Size: 7
Superstar Value: 4
Superstar Ability:
Once during each of your turns, you may discard 1 card.  If you do, search your Arsenal for a card with Fortitude Value greater than your Fortitude Rating, reveal it to your opponent, put it into your hand and shuffle your Arsenal.

194/300
Work Smarter - Not Harder (JBL Logo)
Pre-match Event
Your Mid-match cards are Unstoppable.
The maximum number of Mid-match cards you may have in your Ring is reduced by the number of Pre-match cards in your Ring -1.
Unique
F: 0      D: 0

195/300
I am a Wrestling God (JBL Logo)
Mid-match Action
When this card is in your Ring, your maneuvers are +1D for each card in your hand over 4.
Unique
F: 0      D: 0

196/300
Clothesline from Hell (JBL Logo)
Trademark Finisher
When this card is in your Ringside, you may put 1 Mid-match card from your Ring into your Ringside.  If you do, put this card into your hand.
Unique
HEAD
SV: 3
F: 30      D: 20

197/300
The Last Call (JBL Logo)
Grapple / Reversal: Grapple
As a maneuver, if you have 4 or less cards in your Hand, draw until you have 7 cards in hand.
As a reversal, reverse any Grapple.
Unique
BACK
SV: 1
F: 11      D: 9

198/300
Mamajuana - It’s a Lifestyle Choice! (JBL Logo)
Action
Can only be played if you have 10 or more cards in your Arsenal.
Shuffle 10 cards from your Ringside into your Arsenal.
Unique
F: 10      D: 0

241/300
Carlito (Superstar Card)
Starting Hand Size: 7
Superstar Value: 3
Superstar Ability:
At the start of your opponent’s turn, before his Draw Segment, choose 1: Pre-match, Maneuver, Reversal or Action.  Your opponent removes 1 card in his Ring from the game that is not the chosen type.

242/300
Apple (Carlito Logo)
Pre-match Object
During your Draw Phase, if it is not your first turn of the Match, you may put this card into your Ringside and draw 3 cards.
When this card is in your Ringside your cards with “Spit” in the title are considered Multi.
Unique
F: 0      D: 0

243/300
That’s Not Cool (Carlito Logo)
Mid-match Action
Your opponent reveals his hand and discards any cards which share a name with any of his cards Removed from Game.
# is equal to the number of cards in your opponent's Removed from Game.
Unique
F: #      D: 0

244/300
Double Springboard Senton (Carlito Logo)
High Risk
Can only be played after a 4D or greater maneuver or if your opponent has less maneuvers in his Ring than any other card type.
Unique
TORSO
SV: 2
F: 12      D: 10

245/300
Back Stabber (Carlito Logo)
Trademark Finisher / Reversal: Special
As a maneuver, your opponent may discard 4 cards to reverse this card.
As a reversal, this card is -10F and can only be played if you did not play a card during your last turn.  Reverse any non-Unique card.
Unique
BACK
SV: 2
F: 30      D: 20

246/300
I Know Cool (Carlito Logo)
Action
Choose 1 of your opponent's cards removed from game.
Search your opponent's Arsenal for any cards with the same name as the chosen card, put them into his Ringside, and shuffle his Arsenal.
Unique
F: 5      D: 0

271/300
The Great Khali (Superstar Card)
Starting Hand Size: 8
Superstar Value: 2
Superstar Ability:
Your successfully played Strikes are +#D, where # is the Strike’s printed Damage.

272/300
Punjabi Prison Match (The Great Khali Logo)
Pre-match Stipulation
After you successfully play a maneuver and 10 or more damage has been applied, you may put the top card of your Arsenal under this card face-down and if you have 5 cards under this card you win the game via Pinfall victory.
If this card is moved from your Ring shuffle all cards under this card into your Arsenal.
Unique
F: 0      D: 0

273/300
The Chop of Doom (The Great Khali Logo)
Mid-match Trademark Finisher + Strike
Unique
Multi
HEAD
SV: 4
F: 30      D: 30

274/300
Brain Claw (The Great Khali Logo)
Strike + Submission
Unique
Multi
HEAD
SV: 3
F: 15      D: 15

275/300
Awzm, TulHw, mhw, v'fw, b'fy lok (The Great Khali Logo)
Reversal: Special
Reverse any non-Unique non-Strike maneuver.
Unique
F: 5      D: 0

276/300
A Celebration ... Punjabi Style! (The Great Khali Logo)
Action / Reversal: Action
As an action, your opponent overturns cards until he overturns 2 Action cards or 3 Reversal cards.  Shuffle cards from your Ringside into your Arsenal up to the number of cards overturned.
As a reversal, reverse any non-Set-up Action and end your opponent's turn.
Unique
F: 9      D: 0

[thedemonkiller]

Kali is insane. Dam it' i'm so split on who to thinking about playing as...
Cant wait for some of the other stars to be shown..

[BigPimpin]

There is a lot of "win or die" offense in this game.  Michaels Kipup, UT's RIP, and I'm sure they're not the only ones.

Khali is funny, 60D TMF, lol.  Represented very well.

Carlito is straight nasty. 

Cena is his usual annoying self. 

UT is ok, but RIP is a terrible card if you can't win that turn.  Ironically, he Tornado Tags well with JBL, since JBL can remove Rest In Peace if he needs to recover.  Eyes of the Deadman is the uber, however

JBL seems just weird...but he has the ability to manage his own Mid-Match slots from the door, which is pretty ridiculous.  But by JBL's ability, you're searching for something with a higher printed F Value, right?  Like, if I have 2F, I can discard and search for a card that's printed 5F but reduces down to 0F when played as a move?

[JaysonPhenix]

189/300
The Greatest Comeback in WWE History (John Cena Logo)
Mid-match Action
Can only be played if your opponent’s Fortitude Value is at least 30 more than yours or if you have 5 or less cards in your Arsenal.
Your next card played is F: 0 and is Unstoppable.
Unique
Unstoppable
F: 0      D: 0

BWahahahahahhahahah ahahahhaah I love this card!

[TempestTenor]

Holy frick Khali looks sick.

Question: What counts as a card type for Carlito's ability?

241/300
Carlito (Superstar Card)
Starting Hand Size: 7
Superstar Value: 3
Superstar Ability:
At the start of your opponent’s turn, before his Draw Phase, name a card type.  Your opponent removes 1 card in his Ring from the game that is not the named type.

[dilbert505]

Two Khali questions for you. First, how often did the Punjabi Prison Pinfall victory come into play during playtesting?

272/300
Punjabi Prison Match (The Great Khali Logo)
Pre-match Stipulation
After you successfully play a maneuver and 10 or more damage has been applied, you may put the top card of your Arsenal under this card face-down and if you have 5 cards under this card you win the game via Pinfall victory.
If this card is moved from your Ring shuffle all cards under this card into your Arsenal.
Unique
F: 0      D: 0

And second, Khali speaks Klingon?!

275/300
Awzm, TulHw, mhw, v'fw, b'fy lok (The Great Khali Logo)
Reversal: Special
Reverse any non-Unique non-Strike maneuver.
Unique
F: 5      D: 0

[JaysonPhenix]

probably a lot against someone like Undertaker lol

[The Joker]

WOW!!!! khali is just amazing!!!! between him, taker, and santino i think i will have lots of fun 

[JaysonPhenix]

There is a lot of "win or die" offense in this game.  Michaels Kipup, UT's RIP, and I'm sure they're not the only ones.

Khali is funny, 60D TMF, lol.  Represented very well.

Carlito is straight nasty. 

Cena is his usual annoying self. 

UT is ok, but RIP is a terrible card if you can't win that turn.  Ironically, he Tornado Tags well with JBL, since JBL can remove Rest In Peace if he needs to recover.  Eyes of the Deadman is the uber, however

JBL seems just weird...but he has the ability to manage his own Mid-Match slots from the door, which is pretty ridiculous.  But by JBL's ability, you're searching for something with a higher printed F Value, right?  Like, if I have 2F, I can discard and search for a card that's printed 5F but reduces down to 0F when played as a move?

Good thing there's no overshot your mark in this format :p

[BrysonYuzyk]

JBL seems just weird...but he has the ability to manage his own Mid-Match slots from the door, which is pretty ridiculous.  But by JBL's ability, you're searching for something with a higher printed F Value, right?  Like, if I have 2F, I can discard and search for a card that's printed 5F but reduces down to 0F when played as a move?

It works as you're expecting, except in special cases.  Consider the following.

Let's say you have 1F.

You could search for a maneuver that's 3F, but says 'When played as a maneuver, this card is -3F.'  The card is considered 3F when you search for it, even though when you play it it's 0F.

You could NOT search for that maneuver if you had a card in play that said 'Your maneuvers are -3F.', because the maneuver in question would be 0F when being searched for, so it would not be valid for your ability.

This isn't a very important distinction at the moment, but it's something to consider for future.

Additionally, consider the synergy between JBL's ability, Pre-match and TMF.  It's scary stuff.

Question: What counts as a card type for Carlito's ability?

Pre-match, Maneuver, Reversal, Action.

Two Khali questions for you. First, how often did the Punjabi Prison Pinfall victory come into play during playtesting?

And second, Khali speaks Klingon?!

1) Punjabi Prison isn't the kind of card you play every game; It's simply an option against ultra-stall decks, like Flair or Hornswoggle that can theoretically eat your maneuvers longer than you can throw them.  Correspondingly, it didn't trigger much in playtesting, because it was played more as a meta card than anything.

2) The text of that card is Punjabi for 'I am the greatest!' or something similar.  I can't recall the exact translation.

[TempestTenor]

1) Punjabi Prison isn't the kind of card you play every game; It's simply an option against ultra-stall decks, like Flair or Hornswoggle that can theoretically eat your maneuvers longer than you can throw them.  Correspondingly, it didn't trigger much in playtesting, because it was played more as a meta card than anything.

HA!  So Hornswoggle's going to be a stall deck!  Do I get any DKP?

Also:
How did Carlito's ability pan out during playtesting?  It looks pretty powerful.  Did you consider rewording so that the Carlito player must pick a card type that his opponent actually has out?  Am I missing something or will Carlito totally own JBL if he tries to use Work Smarter - Not Harder?

Also also:
So Carlito's opponent is pretty much guaranteed to lose one of his prematch cards because Carlito's ability activates before his opponent's Draw Segment.  All he has to do is name "not prematch" at the beginning of his opponent's first turn.

[JaysonPhenix]

1) Punjabi Prison isn't the kind of card you play every game; It's simply an option against ultra-stall decks, like Flair or Hornswoggle that can theoretically eat your maneuvers longer than you can throw them.  Correspondingly, it didn't trigger much in playtesting, because it was played more as a meta card than anything.

HA!  So Hornswoggle's going to be a stall deck!  Do I get any DKP?

I think Hornswoggle is gonna come up a bit short in that department 

[CreedP]

JBL seems just weird...but he has the ability to manage his own Mid-Match slots from the door, which is pretty ridiculous.  But by JBL's ability, you're searching for something with a higher printed F Value, right?  Like, if I have 2F, I can discard and search for a card that's printed 5F but reduces down to 0F when played as a move?

It works as you're expecting, except in special cases.  Consider the following.
Let's say you have 1F.
You could search for a maneuver that's 3F, but says 'When played as a maneuver, this card is -3F.'  The card is considered 3F when you search for it, even though when you play it it's 0F.
You could NOT search for that maneuver if you had a card in play that said 'Your maneuvers are -3F.', because the maneuver in question would be 0F when being searched for, so it would not be valid for your ability.

*coughs politely*  Unless you're adding a special rule for NRD, Fortitude Modifications only apply when played, unless otherwise stated (i.e. Goldberg's ability, 'your *insert title* are F:0'.)

Question: What counts as a card type for Carlito's ability?

Pre-match, Maneuver, Reversal, Action.

Come to think of it, that should probably be specifically spelled out in the Superstar Ability rather than the FAQ... 

CREED

[JaysonPhenix]

Is Khali's superstar value a little low?  I mean he is a former world heavyweight champion 

[rated SRH]

good lord kahli and taker are insane. kahli is a better version of beniot

[BrysonYuzyk]

HA!  So Hornswoggle's going to be a stall deck!  Do I get any DKP?

You lose -20DKP for reading too much into what I say

Also:
How did Carlito's ability pan out during playtesting?  It looks pretty powerful.  Did you consider rewording so that the Carlito player must pick a card type that his opponent actually has out?  Am I missing something or will Carlito totally own JBL if he tries to use Work Smarter - Not Harder?

Also also:
So Carlito's opponent is pretty much guaranteed to lose one of his prematch cards because Carlito's ability activates before his opponent's Draw Segment.  All he has to do is name "not prematch" at the beginning of his opponent's first turn.

Although we've had some differences of opinion regarding Carlito's ability in playtesting, it only proved to be over-the-top in an unfortunate series of matches vs. Umaga.

Forcing Carlito to pick only a type his opponent has out unnecessarily slows him down.  Given that it's already Carlito's opponent that gets to choose the card regardless, losing a single Pre-match /of the player's choice/ on his turn isn't a huge deal; Just something to consider when you're planning out your Pre-match.

Besides, Carlito gets to decide what's cool, not you!

*coughs politely*  Unless you're adding a special rule for NRD, Fortitude Modifications only apply when played, unless otherwise stated (i.e. Goldberg's ability, 'your *insert title* are F:0'.)

Not in front of the children!

Come to think of it, that should probably be specifically spelled out in the Superstar Ability rather than the FAQ... 

Fixed.

Is Khali's superstar value a little low?  I mean he is a former world heavyweight champion 

-10DKP

[Dark Knight Bob]

HA!  So Hornswoggle's going to be a stall deck!  Do I get any DKP?

You lose -20DKP for reading too much into what I say

If he loses negative 20 DK(B)P, doesn't he actually gain 20?

[BrysonYuzyk]

HA!  So Hornswoggle's going to be a stall deck!  Do I get any DKP?

You lose -20DKP for reading too much into what I say

If he loses negative 20 DK(B)P, doesn't he actually gain 20?

No.  And you lose -30DKP for questioning me, which means you're barely even DKB anymore.

[JaysonPhenix]

Quote from: JaysonPhenix on Today at 01:43:39 PM
Is Khali's superstar value a little low?  I mean he is a former world heavyweight champion  

-10DKP

Hey the eyes were rolling!

[BrysonYuzyk]

Quote from: JaysonPhenix on Today at 01:43:39 PM
Is Khali's superstar value a little low?  I mean he is a former world heavyweight champion  

-10DKP

Hey the eyes were rolling!

Do you wanna lose more DKP for questioning me, like The Artist Formerly Known as Dark Knight Bob?!

[JaysonPhenix]

 

[The Joker]

just because it popped into my head: why is the change to undertaker's ability on RIP instead of say like gong or look into the eyes? i mean already RIP makes it so eitehr you win or you die on either you or your opponent's turn. it becomes almost pointless at that juncture to have the ability change.

[TempestTenor]

just because it popped into my head: why is the change to undertaker's ability on RIP instead of say like gong or look into the eyes? i mean already RIP makes it so eitehr you win or you die on either you or your opponent's turn. it becomes almost pointless at that juncture to have the ability change.

Well the change to the ability will help you win on your uberturn.  If you had one turn to win the game, would you rather discard 2 cards to retrieve 1 card or discard 1 card to retrieve 1 card?

Edit: Hmm...I just reread RIP.  Your ability is still limited to once per turn with RIP's enhancement.  Wouldn't it make more sense if RIP allowed you to use your ability multiple times per turn while keeping the 2-per-1 cost?

[BrysonYuzyk]

just because it popped into my head: why is the change to undertaker's ability on RIP instead of say like gong or look into the eyes? i mean already RIP makes it so eitehr you win or you die on either you or your opponent's turn. it becomes almost pointless at that juncture to have the ability change.

Well the change to the ability will help you win on your uberturn.  If you had one turn to win the game, would you rather discard 2 cards to retrieve 1 card or discard 1 card to retrieve 1 card?

Edit: Hmm...I just reread RIP.  Your ability is still limited to once per turn with RIP's enhancement.  Wouldn't it make more sense if RIP allowed you to use your ability multiple times per turn while keeping the 2-per-1 cost?

What the deuce are you two talking about, 'one turn to win the game'?

RIP puts any 6 cards from your Ringside into your Arsenal.  That's 6 turns, if you play your cards and ability right!

[gamhhh]

I seriously can not wait till this new set...lol...I first ready Santino and now Kahli and Taker...My god these cards are just that good

GAMHHH

A conscience does not prevent sin. It only prevents you from enjoying it.