Printing physical copies of NRD

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[TempestTenor]

I think Bryson you mentioned somewhere that the cost of printing NRD will be around $50 at a professional printing place.  Have you verified that this is true?  That number seems a little low to me.  We're printing 150 Superstar cards + 150 normal cards x3 = 600 cards.  That's only if you print 3 copies of each normal card without considering unlimited cards and making multiple decks.  We'd also be printing in color, right?  And on cardboard?  Will we be able to print the cards with proper cardbacks?  Will these professional printing places cut the prints for us?  Will $50 really cover all this?

[BrysonYuzyk]

Here's roughly how it breaks down.

600 cards is approximately 67 sheets.

Color prints are .49c per sheet, with an additional .06 for card stock.

You require 4 cuts (8 depending on how they do it) at 4$ a piece.

That adds up to about 41$.

There's a certain degree of fudge factor, of course.  If you want higher quality card, for example, it might cost a bit more.  Additionally, if you plan on playing at cons and not just with your friends, you're probably going to want to throw down an additional 20$ for having the other side backed with the standard Raw Deal WWE logo etc.

[TempestTenor]

Cool.  Thanks for the info =)

Another question:
Will professional printers give me trouble for attempting to print trademarked material?  Are we actually legally allowed to print this stuff?

[CreedP]

Of note, since the cards will likely be sleeved anyway, personally I wouldn't worry about the backs...

CREED

[dilbert505]

Additionally, if you plan on playing at cons and not just with your friends, you're probably going to want to throw down an additional 20$ for having the other side backed with the standard Raw Deal WWE logo etc.

Question. Why? Unless the con has a mixed RDAP/NRD tournament, it would be a) cheaper and b) easier to simply have your cards printed with blank backs. In NRD, it would make sense for one-sided printing to be standard, and then all the cards would have the same back. And even if you do that, and you want to mix in some NRD cards into an older deck, get sleeves and stick two cards in each sleeve: the one that matters in the front, and a junk common from RDAP in the back, so that the standard logo will appear on all of them, though the sleeve. (Putting two in every sleeve is intended to keep all the sleeve thicknesses the same, so that won't provide any advantage.)

[BrysonYuzyk]

Cool.  Thanks for the info =)

Another question:
Will professional printers give me trouble for attempting to print trademarked material?  Are we actually legally allowed to print this stuff?

This is a bit of a complex question.

The simple answer is that when you go in and have them do it, use non-Raw Deal cards as the form template.

NRD is fan-created material, so it shouldn't be a problem any more than it was for the other CCGs that did this.

Additionally, if you plan on playing at cons and not just with your friends, you're probably going to want to throw down an additional 20$ for having the other side backed with the standard Raw Deal WWE logo etc.

Question. Why? Unless the con has a mixed RDAP/NRD tournament, it would be a) cheaper and b) easier to simply have your cards printed with blank backs. In NRD, it would make sense for one-sided printing to be standard, and then all the cards would have the same back. And even if you do that, and you want to mix in some NRD cards into an older deck, get sleeves and stick two cards in each sleeve: the one that matters in the front, and a junk common from RDAP in the back, so that the standard logo will appear on all of them, though the sleeve. (Putting two in every sleeve is intended to keep all the sleeve thicknesses the same, so that won't provide any advantage.)

I don't honestly care much what people do, as long as the cards are uniform.

I'm just of the mind that 20$ is a small price to pay for giving 600 cards that professional look we all know and love.

Compare the 40/60/whatever you're spending on this to the amount of money you spent on RD in the past, and smile.

[The Softcore Legend]

Cool.  Thanks for the info =)

Another question:
Will professional printers give me trouble for attempting to print trademarked material?  Are we actually legally allowed to print this stuff?

This is a bit of a complex question.

The simple answer is that when you go in and have them do it, use non-Raw Deal cards as the form template.

NRD is fan-created material, so it shouldn't be a problem any more than it was for the other CCGs that did this.

Additionally, if you plan on playing at cons and not just with your friends, you're probably going to want to throw down an additional 20$ for having the other side backed with the standard Raw Deal WWE logo etc.

Question. Why? Unless the con has a mixed RDAP/NRD tournament, it would be a) cheaper and b) easier to simply have your cards printed with blank backs. In NRD, it would make sense for one-sided printing to be standard, and then all the cards would have the same back. And even if you do that, and you want to mix in some NRD cards into an older deck, get sleeves and stick two cards in each sleeve: the one that matters in the front, and a junk common from RDAP in the back, so that the standard logo will appear on all of them, though the sleeve. (Putting two in every sleeve is intended to keep all the sleeve thicknesses the same, so that won't provide any advantage.)

I don't honestly care much what people do, as long as the cards are uniform.

I'm just of the mind that 20$ is a small price to pay for giving 600 cards that professional look we all know and love.

Compare the 40/60/whatever you're spending on this to the amount of money you spent on RD in the past, and smile.

I can definitely smile with your last statement.   I know where I live copyworks charges about $1.00 a copy.  Staples charges $0.49.  When I print out a complete playset of my Secret Wars cards it costs me about $60 at the $1.00 a copy price.  The NRD set is about the same size.  I also cut the cards myself with a paper cutter, and I just print on high quality paper.  just use those 239 copies of Irish whip or step aside you own to back your cards and throw them in a sleve.

If you just wanted to print a deck of cards It comes out to 81 cards.
That equals 9 pages of 9 cards on a page. (transfer the images to a word document 2.5"W x 3.5" H card dimensions)
Go to a staples or something and print just you deck for less than $5.  vs $10 for what you used to pay and not as complete of a deck.

You fans of raw deal should love how much money this will save you on buying cards.

Oh, and I have NEVER had a problem with anyone questioning what I am printing or the leagality.  Whether it be my own cards or Profesional looking Raw Deal proxies, so you shouldn't have a problem.

[TempestTenor]

The simple answer is that when you go in and have them do it, use non-Raw Deal cards as the form template.

What do you mean by this?

[BrysonYuzyk]

The simple answer is that when you go in and have them do it, use non-Raw Deal cards as the form template.

What do you mean by this?

Take in a UFS card, a Magic card, and a handful of cards from non-RD CCGs.

Then tell them that you want the cards you're printing to match the form of the cards you show.

They'll do their best to match stock, gloss, etc.

[TempestTenor]

The simple answer is that when you go in and have them do it, use non-Raw Deal cards as the form template.

What do you mean by this?

Take in a UFS card, a Magic card, and a handful of cards from non-RD CCGs.

Then tell them that you want the cards you're printing to match the form of the cards you show.

They'll do their best to match stock, gloss, etc.

Just curious: what other qualities of the sample will they match besides stock and gloss?

[BrysonYuzyk]

The simple answer is that when you go in and have them do it, use non-Raw Deal cards as the form template.

What do you mean by this?

Take in a UFS card, a Magic card, and a handful of cards from non-RD CCGs.

Then tell them that you want the cards you're printing to match the form of the cards you show.

They'll do their best to match stock, gloss, etc.

Just curious: what other qualities of the sample will they match besides stock and gloss?

No idea.  Maybe ink type?

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[Drywall]

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Do you know why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

[BrysonYuzyk]

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Do you know why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
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At first I thought it was because there was a cinnamon swirl in every bite, but now that I'm older I realize it's suggestive marketing.

[Dark Knight Bob]

At first I thought it was because there was a cinnamon swirl in every bite, but now that I'm older I realize it's suggestive marketing.

That, as well as the fact that, y'know, they're mind-bogglingly delicious.

[TempestTenor]

Why do we need to bring non-RD cards to the printing shop as samples?  Because of trademark issues?  How, then, will we get the printer to print proper WWE Raw Deal backs onto the cards?

[Master Dosmodious]

Do you know why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

Let's get this part clear, it's because of the cocaine. Skeet.

As for the card backs, why not have someone create a non-proprietary design that we can all agree on. It is our game again after all. Comments, questions, protests?

[BrysonYuzyk]

At first I thought it was because there was a cinnamon swirl in every bite, but now that I'm older I realize it's suggestive marketing.

That, as well as the fact that, y'know, they're mind-bogglingly delicious.

They taste like butter.

Why do we need to bring non-RD cards to the printing shop as samples?  Because of trademark issues?  How, then, will we get the printer to print proper WWE Raw Deal backs onto the cards?

You don't /need/ to, it's just helpful if you're trying to match CCG style stock.

Do you know why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

Let's get this part clear, it's because of the cocaine. Skeet.

As for the card backs, why not have someone create a non-proprietary design that we can all agree on. It is our game again after all. Comments, questions, protests?

I'm fine with that, but I'm no graphic designer.  If anyone has an example, please post it.

[dwalls31]

I still don't see the point for the cards tt have backs for a couple of reasons.

1. It is useless if the cards are in most styles of deck protectors because they are colored and obscure the cardbacks.

2.  It runs to cost of the cards up because most print shops will charge you for two sheets of paper to print on the back of them (the ones in my town do because I checked). There are plenty of opportunity for us as avid Raw Dealers to get more people into this game because of the cost of getting in is going to be $100 or less to get a full playset.

[Chef Brandon]

Do you know why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

Let's get this part clear, it's because of the cocaine. Skeet.

As for the card backs, why not have someone create a non-proprietary design that we can all agree on. It is our game again after all. Comments, questions, protests?

Here are a couple of ideas (that I found on PhotoBucket) for "new" Raw Deal card backs

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t153/Fenix_ink/NWRAWDEALBG.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p148/gordo_kkl/firma.gif

...maybe, we can "borrow" one of these for a new design?!?

[gamhhh]

I'm a graphic designer, let me see what i can do with this and another couple questions:

1.) Will we be getting artwork to print so we can have the card and all or are we to come up with that...

2.) Do you come with a template for the card to print???

Here are 2 Back designs I made myslef:

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj68/gamhhh/?action=view&current=NewRawDealLogo1.jpg

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj68/gamhhh/?action=view&current=NewRawDealLogo2.jpg

          Let me know what everyone thinks about them...I can make more designs, just need to come up with some new ideas

GAMHHH

[Ryan Rider]

When will the graphics for the NRD cards be released?

[BrysonYuzyk]

When will the graphics for the NRD cards be released?

We're dealing with a bit of an administrative/legal issue at the moment, in regards to the real life cards.

Please stay tuned!

[gamhhh]

Sounds good Bryson, can't wait...Now then I hope we can get more choices for the backs of the cards if anyone wants to print them out. Who likes any of the artwork i have done...let me know if i'm doing good and if you want more

GAMHHH

[KANEfreak69]

When will the graphics for the NRD cards be released?

We're dealing with a bit of an administrative/legal issue at the moment, in regards to the real life cards.

Please stay tuned!

well any of the trouble stop nrd from coming out

[BrysonYuzyk]

When will the graphics for the NRD cards be released?

We're dealing with a bit of an administrative/legal issue at the moment, in regards to the real life cards.

Please stay tuned!

well any of the trouble stop nrd from coming out

No, NRD is going to come out regardless, it just may take longer than expected to get print copies.

Online tournaments are going to start in about a week though!

"What gunpowder did for war, the printing press has done for the mind." - Wendell Phillips