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[CreedP]

Still Needed / Notes:

JBL needs a kick in the crotch, especially with the slew of Uniques in the set.

nWo - Hall & Nash trump all, Eric and Hulk Hogan (not Immortal) can beat out X-Pac.  Hogan decks have the belt no matter if you're nWo or not.  And the T-shirt lets you join if none of the above happens, and no one beats you to it.

[CreedP]

---SGT SLAUGHTER---
This Is For the U.S. of A!
Action + Action
Can only be played if you played a reversal to end your opponent's last turn, and this is the first card played on your turn.  If that reversal was a Throwback, draw 2 cards.
If your next card played is a Maneuver, it is now considered a Trademark Finisher instead.
Unique
F: 15     D: 0

Coulnt stop laughing when I saw this.  I hope the picture for this is from the G.I. Joe movie lol

We'll see what we can do - but see if you can figure out the Easter Egg in this card...

CREED

[dilbert505]

THE BLUE BLAZER
Starting Hand Size: 7
Superstar Value: 3
Superstar Ability:
Your non-Unique maneuvers played from your hand without "reverse" in the text and the maneuvers in your Arsenal without "reverse" in the text are considered Volley maneuvers, where the Volley: # is equal to printed Damage of the maneuver.
You may pack the cards with the Owen Hart logo, but you do not count as that Superstar, because you are absolutely NOT Owen Hart, no sir.

COMMENTS:  We had a Blue Blazer promo Superstar floating around but he apparently disappeared, I'm fairly certain this is what we had in mind though, something simple but similar to Owen.  But obviously not the same, of course, because they're two totally different people...

This is the best card EVER. And it is in the running for the best ANYTHING ever.

[The Hurricane]

I must say that I absolutely HAVE to get The New Age Outlaws. Someone needs to print me a set of just the NAO cards for a free gift like for my birthday.

Even if it's just the Road Dogg cards since I'm like a HUGE Road Dogg fan.

October 2nd, mark that stuff down! 

[The Joker]

all of these are just plain awesome. the only legend i really wanted to play at first was ted dibiase and maybe andre. now with these legends i see more possibilities. well done!!!

[Daeva]

...and someone wants the Repo Man, and someone wants the Gobbledygooker, and someone wants the Miz, etc etc.

Besides, this is still WWE Raw Deal, and Scott Norton didn't come over to WWE when the WCW/nWo guys did - everyone else in this set has been there before.

CREED

To clarify, that someone is me. XD

Repo Man
SHS: 5
SSV: 0
Legend SSA: Your cards are Permanent.
Your card titled What's Mine is Mine and What's Yours is Mine is not Active.

[Desario24]

...and someone wants the Repo Man, and someone wants the Gobbledygooker, and someone wants the Miz, etc etc.

Besides, this is still WWE Raw Deal, and Scott Norton didn't come over to WWE when the WCW/nWo guys did - everyone else in this set has been there before.

CREED

To clarify, that someone is me. XD

Repo Man
SHS: 5
SSV: 0
Legend SSA: Your cards are Permanent.
Your card titled What's Mine is Mine and What's Yours is Mine is not Active.

You're not the only one in favor of the Repo Man.  Nice ability for him by the way.

[JaysonPhenix]

...and someone wants the Repo Man, and someone wants the Gobbledygooker, and someone wants the Miz, etc etc.

Besides, this is still WWE Raw Deal, and Scott Norton didn't come over to WWE when the WCW/nWo guys did - everyone else in this set has been there before.

CREED

To clarify, that someone is me. XD

Repo Man
SHS: 5
SSV: 0
Legend SSA: Your cards are Permanent.
Your card titled What's Mine is Mine and What's Yours is Mine is not Active.

You're not the only one in favor of the Repo Man.  Nice ability for him by the way.

I'd give him something similiar to Cryme Tyme's card. 

Like once per turn you may discard a card and name a card in your opponent's ring area and place this on your face card.  For your turn and your opponent's turn that card is considered to be in your ring area and have the text of the chosen card.  After your opponent's turn, place that card into your ringside pile.

Since that would follow the "Whats mine is mine and yours is mine too"

[CreedP]

UPDATE!

A lot of tuning to some Pre-match cards, making sure they offer enough sauce to make them a viable choice.

* High-Flying Style: Protects your FTTR and FTMTb cards
* I'll Taunt You, Then I'll BASH You!: Removed the discard, ACE to punish your opponent for playing a Unique
* Playing By the Rules: This card is 'free' now, no slot required (EDIT!) changed to +5F for the opponent.
* The Marquee says "Wrestling":  Added a search ACE after the first effect is done
* nWo T-shirt: Reduced the penalty from -2 Pre-match to -1.
* Getting Some Old School Payback: Gave it immunity to Find Out How To Fight From Finlay

Should make things a little better - and see the other thread 'Design a New Card!' to give input on TWO new cards, a Smackdown-boosting Pre-match and a SD-brand Mid-match maneuver.

CREED

[CreedP]

UPDATES!

Preparing for the Lackey patch, a few changes were made:

* Owen's Black Hart & King of Harts were combined into one card, Black Hart gets a new effect
* Sexy Beast's ability wasn't working as planned, new functionality added
* Green Bay Plunge got some protection, since it isn't easy to land
* NAO's Hold Up A Damn Minute got raised to 6F
* Radical Ringwork got dropped to 2D instead of 4D
* Latino Cheat gets a boost, some Chavo-logo cards and AIUU protection

CREED

[CreedP]

MORE UPDATES!

* Backed by Vickie is added
* Managed by Capt. Lou is dropped
* The BASH Feud got a Fine Print-ish boost
* Playing by the Rules, as noted, lowered its penalty to +5F instead of 10.
* The new Smackdown Mid-match will get added shortly
* Expect to see a new card from World Champion Ric Pittman very soon.
EDIT:  Backed by Vickie Guerrero, Perfectly Executed Topé added
* World Champion Ric Pittman's card, Don't Be THAT Guy, added.

CREED

[CreedP]

UPDATE!

More changes:

* Foreign Objects got slight alterations, no Walls of Jericho through a Table as "Maintain Hold" TMFs are now exempt.
* Title shortened on nWo Beatdown.
* Good Ol'-Fashioned Piledriver got toned down a little for Lawler
* Carlito Says .. Momentum.. That's Not Cool either, heh
EDIT:  Perfectly Executed Moonsault added

CREED

[CreedP]

UPDATES!

More updating!

* HHH's Ring General TB now lets you pack Sledge Hammer Shot in non-Heel decks
* Screeching Car Crash is toned down slightly for Cactus Jack
* Kane's Hook is now Multi for ol'-fashioned Kane.
* Jeff Hardy can throw Whisper as a maneuver via his new card.
* Matt Hardy's card is changed to 'Matt Facts' (thanks to a great pic and the idea from Dan!)
* APA can now pack DTTAH
* Tajiri can now safely Roll Out of the Ring
* People's Team / Dangerous Alliance got MUCH better cards
* Stephanie and Sable's cards got major and much-needed boosts
* Jerry Lawler's King of Memphis is a Storyline but loses a few effects that were TOO good.
* Lashley gets a no-Elbow protection for 'basic' low-Damage maneuver (thanks, Dre!)
* DX's Crotch Chop shuffles in the cards rather than putting them on the bottom
* ...and flavor text added to Snitsky & Heidenreich, heh

CREED

[GamerZombie]

Totally agree on BASH feud and "Playing by the rules" changes. You continue to please us Ohio raw deal players.

[chase_breaker]

I just think Team angle doesn't get a big boost off this... what is the point of them playing this card? Pls tell me I really don't get it? I just got done play testing both superstars and yeah... not so much with Team Angle.

The New Gold Standard   (Team Angle logo)
Pre-match Event
When this card is in your Ring, your Shelton Benjamin-specific Actions are Multis.
ACE:  You may remove this card from the game, and if your next card played this turn is a High Risk, ignore the "Can only be played after..." text.  This effect cannot be reversed.
Unique
F: 0   D: 0

This is what I was thinking and maybe you can tell me what you think...

The New Gold Standard (Team Angle Logo)
Pre-Match Event
If there is no title belt in your ring area your, when your fortitude is less than your opponents fortitude, you may remove this card from the game to end your opponents turn after you take Damage.
If there is a Title belt that in your ring area, your superstar specific actions are considered multi, and your Shelton Benjamin maneuvers that are high risk can only be reversed from your opponents arsenal.
If there is a Title belt that says can only be packed by a tag team superstar in your ring area, you may draw an additional card per turn, during your draw segment.

Once again I am sure you wont like that idea... but it's I think a turn in the better direction for Shelton... pls get back to me and tell me why you made it the other way.

[chase_breaker]

I've been play testing my ass off lol... I have some more feed back...
I know we've talked about this card before, trying to take piper in a new direction... and I've thought about it... let's boost the direction that the creators tried to take him in the first place.

When You Thought You Had All The Answers - TB
Backstage Area Card
When you are packing this card your superstar ability now reads, If you have 10 Maneuvers with the Word Sleeper in the title and a trademark finisher with the world sleeper in your ring area, you win the game via pin fall.

-or-

When You Thought You Had All The Answers - TB
Backstage Area Card
When you are packing this card your superstar ability now reads, when you successfully play a card with the world sleeper in the title, or a card that has the words sleeper in the text, you may choose 1 of the following, search your Arsenal for the card titled Maintain hold, or shuffle 1 card from your ringside pile into your arsenal.

I love this second one alot... I just kinda wish that he could win off a first to tap type thing you know... this would make him more playable... and his ability more stomachable.

---ROWDY RODDY PIPER---
I’ll Show You Some “Old School Wrestling!”
Backstage Card
Your Superstar Ability reads "During your opponent's turns, when he plays a non-Superstar-specific card with 'reverse' in the text, he discards 1 card."
Search your Arsenal for 6 cards and place them under this card.  You may play a Manager card during the Venue phase.  At the end of the Pre-match phase, shuffle the cards under this card into your Arsenal, and put There Is No Escape from your Backlash into your Ring.
When Back to Basics is in your Ring, you can play any maneuver regardless of There Is No Escape.
¶ (Restricted Modification Symbol)
Unique

[CreedP]

First off, please use the Edit button to add to your post rather than making new ones, thanks in advance!    Now to your posts:

1)  Someone felt it was bad to have Kurt named on a card that Kurt Angle can't actually play (and hell no he doesn't need this, Kurt is quite strong as is).  In addition, I've found a GREAT picture, which I'll probably post today, for the current title - so as much as it would be cool to make a card for the medals themselves, this isn't it.  Agreed on the concept, though!

2) Team Angle has their own card (Storyline giving them Hail to the Chairman as a reversal), plus they get Classic Teamwork, and a lot of the time will get to use Handicap Match.  Also, Double Team was reworded so they can choose Grapple/Submission and use it with their ability.  Putting their logo on Shelton's card was an afterthought, it wasn't really intended to be a TA card, just a nice kicker since they still team up on rare occasions.  And beefing up the card makes Shelton stronger, which is NOT intended any more than the current version boosts him.  Any 'extra' boosts for TA would go on their card, not Shelton's.

3) That's an interesting thought for Piper.  His current card is actually a lot of possibilities, not just for smuggling maneuvers into B2B, but for anything that lets your opponent search your deck (Linda comes to mind, so does Dallas and Denville).  Agreed, though, that his Sleepers could use a bit of a boost.  I'll take another look at those cards later today, and maybe we'll sneak one last change into this 'wave' before the Lackey file goes to Ric for processing. 

Good thoughts all around, thanks for the ideas!

CREED

[rntaboy]

---MATT HARDY---
Matt Facts
Backstage Card
Cannot be packed by The Ultimate Survivor.
Your Mattitude Adjustment does not have the SmackDown! logo and replace the "Strike or Grapple" text with "non-Unique".
Your non-hybrid Matt Hardy-specific Actions are considered Multi, and your Spinning Straight Elbow is a High Risk instead.
Unique
***(RMS?)

What is removing the Smackdown logo supposed to achieve?

Also, I still think Brock needs an enhanced ability.

[CreedP]

Allows him to play Raw, if he so chooses, considering he's been on every show frequently.

Have you tested Brock with his Undertaker-ish ability to see what he's still lacking, or are you just taking a guess? 

Testing > "I Think" statements, heh.

CREED

[JaysonPhenix]

He still loses the Side Effect by doing that

[CreedP]

Argh, must have missed that.    Thanks... and that text will probably get dropped, since there's a reason to keep Matt on Smackdown now, heh.  But I'll put him on the list to build - with High-Flying and Vickie, he should be a very strong deck now, playable either with Grapple-heavy Chain OR as an (almost) straight High Risk deck.

CREED

[JaysonPhenix]

Dynamics 

[Chef Brandon]

The "when successfully played..." text on the Steiner Recliner reads: "When successfully played, draw 2 cards and put 1 card from your opponent's Ringside at the bottom of his Arsenal."

...I just wanted to see if it should read: "...put 1 card from your opponent's Ring on the bottom of his Arsenal.", or if the text was intentional for you to kind of "give something back" to your opponent, since (in my experience) Big Poppa Pump usualy (for lack of a better phrase) "Takes You To The Woodshed!"

"Chef" Brandon D.

[CreedP]

Completely intentional.  Figure out why and you get a cookie. 

Like Nate said, we like to reward people who read cards, heh.

CREED

[Chef Brandon]

Oh, no ... Don't get me wrong, I've been reading the text of all of the cards (back-&-forth) and I love ALL of the cards you and the other testers made in this new set. Hopefully, this will help bring back some of the older Raw Deal players that have left the game for "various" reasons...  Personaly, I like the idea of bringing cards back into the game that - not only help you, but help your opponent out as well ("Offer Handshake")

...I just can't wait to see all of the pictures when they get finished!!!

Yet - Once Again, I Cannot Thank You Enough For All Of The Hard Work That You & All The Other Playtesters Put In To Making This Set Come To Life!!!!!

"Chef" Brandon D.

I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure.