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Queensryche


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« on: November 14, 2009, 09:49:14 PM »

Well, USC's streak of BCS bowls is almost certainly over now. Two weeks after Oregon pantsed the Trojans 47-20, Stanford pantsed the Trojans 55-21 today. I recall telling Rein that I saw USC as a three-loss team this year, but getting embarrassed twice like that, their problems may be deeper than having a true freshman QB. They HAVE to be.

Ohio State once again wins the Big Ten Championship and is going to the Rose Bowl. Most likely they'll face Oregon.

And last I saw, TCU leads Utah 38-14. I'll update this later when the score's final.
EDIT: TCU won 55-28.

Any other thoughts about college football currently?
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2009, 12:39:26 AM »

Thank god the Badgers aren't scrubbing out this year.  That's all I can think of.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2009, 01:23:01 AM »

True, you did call them dropping off big time.  Just remember when my Redskins pull that upset tomorrow.
And TCU is far more impressive than Texas or Bama IMO
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 10:42:15 AM »

True, you did call them dropping off big time.  Just remember when my Redskins pull that upset tomorrow.
And TCU is far more impressive than Texas or Bama IMO

The only thing I see possibly helping TCU into the National Championship Game would be Texas losing. At this point, since Florida and Alabama will be facing each other, both could enter the SEC Championship with a loss (unlikely for both), and the winner would get into the title game. Texas HAS to stay unbeaten, especially since the weaksauce Big 12 North won't provide enough of a quality opponent for Texas in the Big 12 Championship Game. Unless Texas loses, TCU will likely be shut out. And even then, the computers would probably screw TCU over, no matter how the human polls vote for TCU.

Boise State will probably get screwed out of a major bowl again even if they go undefeated. The "mid-majors" are now having incredibly dominant teams rise up and prove themselves as more than a match for the BCS conferences, but the BCS commissioners will keep the lions share for themselves unless a massive revolt happens somehow, among either the coaches, sponsors, or fans.

As for USC, either they've got serious problems, or the rest of the Pac-10 has finally caught up to them and is showing that the conference isn't just USC. I've argued that the Pac-10 is better than what the average fan thinks, but due to the Pac-10 commissioner choosing money over exposure (the Pac-10's TV deal is with a regional TV network and NOT a national TV network), the Pac-10 as a whole doesn't get the credit they deserve.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2009, 09:21:51 PM »

The fact that Texas has to face a crappy Big 12 North team in their championship game might actually help TCU in the computer polls.

TCU has to face Wyoming and New Mexico, Texas has to play Kansas and Texas A&M as well as the Big 12 Championship.  The winner of the Kansas State/Nebraska game is the opponent there.  All three of Texas' games are against .500 teams or worse.  Texas' extra game against a mediocre team will hurt them in the computers.

Cincinnati has Pittsburgh on their schedule, which is about the best game available for the undefeated teams left on the schedule.  It's quite possible that Cincy can make the leap from #5 to #2 over TCU and Texas.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 03:57:38 PM »

Florida Vs. Texas for The Championship....... I doubt the Tide can stop Tebow.

Unless the BCS computers penalize Texas for playing a crappy big 12 opponent for the championship I doubt it will be otherwise.

TCU hasnt played anyone of significance but they did beat two ranked teams. They are the sleeper team of the top 10.
Texas played Oklahoma and Ok state and they are the dominant team in the big 12 south, that says something.
Florida is made of supermen according to the media. Someone needs to find their Kryptonite.

Espn has it right. The top 3 are undisputed and 4-10 change every week.

My Iowa boys should go to the capital one bowl.  If Stross would have caught the ball last week vs Ohio St. We would be in the Rose bowl or a BCS bowl. We look good for next year. We will dominate the gophers and whoever we play in the capital one bowl. Next year looks even better. We keep almost everyone, we lose a defensive linebacker, 2 defensive linemen and 3 offensive linemen. We will be awesome next year too. Just look at it this way our back up quarterback stood toe to toe with Ohio State. That says alot about our program.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 08:07:14 PM »

TCU beat the possible ACC conference champion on the road.  That's about as quality a win as even Florida has at this point.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 11:45:38 PM »

TCU beat the possible ACC conference champion on the road.  That's about as quality a win as even Florida has at this point.

Yeah, but that was earlier in the season. Cincinatti beating Pitt would register far more in pollsters' minds.

I said it before and I'll say it again: GIVE US A DAMN PLAYOFF.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2009, 12:48:27 AM »


I said it before and I'll say it again: GIVE US A DAMN PLAYOFF.

At the very least a +1 system or a top 8 playoff. That way you dont have 2-3 undefeated teams at the end of the season that says "we could have beat the champs."

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 09:40:30 PM »

Arizona and Oregon are playing right now. If Oregon wins, then the Oregon Civil War next week is for the Pac-10 championship.

TCU rolled, as did Florida and Alabama.

EDIT: Oregon won. The Oregon Civil War is now the Pac-10 Championship Game in all but name. Ohio State fans will definitely be watching next week to learn their opponent.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2009, 02:47:23 PM »

Yeah I cannot believe that the AP and the USA Today poll has Penn State above Iowa. WE BEAT THEM. and we played a better game against Ohio State, which stomped Penn State. We had a harder schedule and we are the ranked second in the Big 10. Yet the third ranked Big Ten team is ranked higher than the second ranked team. I dont think Iowa got much respect this year unless it was from the BCS computer.

EDIT: if we go to the fiesta bowl instead of Penn St. all will be forgiven. We get the Capital one bowl AGAIN we riot lol Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2009, 02:58:30 PM »

What bowl game does Notre Dame turn down for being beneath them this year?
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2009, 08:03:20 PM »

Yeah I cannot believe that the AP and the USA Today poll has Penn State above Iowa. WE BEAT THEM. and we played a better game against Ohio State, which stomped Penn State. We had a harder schedule and we are the ranked second in the Big 10. Yet the third ranked Big Ten team is ranked higher than the second ranked team. I dont think Iowa got much respect this year unless it was from the BCS computer.

EDIT: if we go to the fiesta bowl instead of Penn St. all will be forgiven. We get the Capital one bowl AGAIN we riot lol Smiley

This is another reason why I want a playoff. Penn State is the "name" school. Iowa is not. So bowl sponsors will demand the selection committee select the "name" school because everything in college football revolves around money.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2009, 09:54:36 PM »


This is another reason why I want a playoff. Penn State is the "name" school. Iowa is not. So bowl sponsors will demand the selection committee select the "name" school because everything in college football revolves around money.

Iowa Fans travel VERY well. Iowa does not have a professional sports team and we all but ignore our semi-pro teams. The University of Iowa and for some Iowa State is our "professional" team.

The BCS standings did poll Iowa ahead of Penn state and that's what is looked at for bowl games they will pick Iowa over Penn st. Despite Penn St. being a more premier college in the eyes of the football media Iowa sells out their tickets as fast if not faster than most premiere schools, and when we travel we spend money like water, after we just harvested our crops we have gobs of cash Smiley

I dont think we will ever have a true playoff system. I hope we adopt a plus one system. My hope is that, for example, one team is from florida and one team is from california they should play in Texas. The only thing I hate more is when a good school has to play in the SEC's backyard when they play a SEC team in a bowl game. I like Truly neutral locations. 
A team from The big ten playing USC in the Rose bowl is not a neutral location.

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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2009, 02:08:42 PM »

Copied from FoxSports.com:
The numbers underneath the record are:  BCS points/Harris poll/USA Today poll/Computer rankings.
1. Florida (11-0)    
.9664 1 1 2
2. Alabama (11-0)    
.9614 3 3 1
3. Texas (11-0)    
.9263 2 2 4
4. TCU (11-0)    
.8699 4 4 5
5. Cincinnati (10-0)    
.8591 5 5 3
6. Boise State (11-0)    
.7834 6 6 7*
7. Georgia Tech (10-1)    
.7756 7 7 6
8. Oregon (9-2)    
.6724 10 10 7*
9. Pittsburgh (9-1)    
.6638 9 9 9
10. Ohio State (10-2)    
.6523 8 8 11

*Boise State and Oregon are in a dead heat in the computer polls, even though Oregon's a two loss team that Boise State beat to open the season.

Texas, who is already behind Cincinnati in the computers, plays Texas A&M, who is unranked in the BCS standings (BCSGuru.com has the 43 teams this season who have scored points in the BCS) and then Nebraska (who is just outside the top 25 in 26th place in BCS points).

TCU, who has to leap BOTH Texas and Cincinnati to get to third, and presumably in front of the loser of the Alabama/Florida game, has just New Mexico left on their schedule - which means that for terms of this discussion, they're out unless two teams lose.

The computers love Cincinnati - as well as they should, and they haven't even played Pittsburgh yet.  Beating Pitt is a bigger win than Texas being OK State or Oklahoma - hell, Houston accomplished one and BYU got the other.  Pitt, in fact, had a terrible loss to NC State, otherwise the Big East would have two undefeated teams going up against one another.

If Cincinnati wins against Pitt, they're in the National Championship game.  The Big 12 South isn't nearly as impressive this year as in the past.  Texas would be an undeserving team, who should play better non-conference opponents than Louisiana-Monroe and Central Florida.

If we're sizing it all up, Florida has played 6 teams in the BCS standings. (Troy 41, Tennessee 42, Kentucky T-43, LSU 15, Arkansas 34, and Alabama 2)

Alabama has played 8 teams in the BCS standings. (Virginia Tech 14, Arkansas 34, Kentucky T-43, Mississippi 25, Tennessee 42, LSU 15, Auburn 39 and Florida 1)

Texas has played 5 teams in the BCS standings. (Texas Tech 38, Oklahoma 40, Missouri T-43, Oklahoma State 12, and Nebraska 26)

TCU has played 3 teams in the BCS standings. (Clemson 18, BYU 19, Utah 21)

Cincinnati has played 4 teams in the BCS standings, all of whom are better wins than Texas, excepting OK State. (Oregon State 16, South Florida 31, West Virginia 30, and Pittsburgh 9)

Three computer polls have Cincinnati ranked #2, behind Alabama.  In fact, Cincinnati's #3 in the computers only because one computer has Florida ranked #1 with Cincinnati #5.  In the case of the computers, it's clearcut - Alabama's #1 across the board, with their strength of schedule. 

In fact, one computer has Georgia Tech ranked in front of Texas. Smiley  Texas will continue to require that the voters have a hard on for that mediocre, generic team because the computers realize that it's puffed up by a weak schedule and having the former glory of the Big 12 behind them.

So, to summarize:  Cincinnati just needs to win out and they're playing for a national title.  It will be the winner of Florida/Alabama vs. Cincinnati, unless something really crazy happens.

Crazy scenario 1:  Cincinnati jobs to Pittsburgh.  In that case, Pittsburgh's schedule the remainder of the year of West Virginia and Cincinnati will make them stronger in the computers than Texas, TCU, Cincinnati or Boise State.  They would leapfrog all the way to #3 in the computers (passing Georgia Tech on the way up) and would have an outside shot at being a one-loss team arguing for inclusion over a no-loss Texas team.

Crazy scenario 2:  Texas loses to Texas A&M or Nebraska.  Texas' season is then over - no national title game for you.  The question is who would then take over as the opponent of the Florida/Alabama winner.  If scenario 1 doesn't happen, it's Cincy.  If it does, it's TCU.

Getting out there into the realm of the wacky, we have Crazy Scenario 3:  Florida loses to Florida State or Alabama loses to Auburn.  If this happens such that both teams are one-loss teams, the national title game may be Texas-Cincinnati - and if you had that in the pool before the season began, well, you're an asshole.

As much as I mark out for Boise State, here's the scenario that would have to occur for them to even get with a jockstrap's sniff of the title game:

Florida and Alabama both have a loss.  Texas wins out.  TCU drops a game to New Mexico, Cincy loses to Pitt, and Oregon has to beat Oregon State.  Even then, you could make a case that a one-loss Florida or Alabama team is better than Boise State (although I wouldn't agree with you).  That would set up Texas-Boise State for the championship.

....I don't see it happening.
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 09:58:14 AM »

Too bad TCO had to be down just as the picture was getting cleared up. To recap just for the hell of it......

Alabama handled Florida in the SEC Championship Game while Texas nearly blew the Big 12 Championship Game but went on to win. Alabama then knocked Colt McCoy out of the BCS Title Game and won their first National Championship since 1993.

Iowa and Ohio State did wonders for restoring the Big Ten's reputation, with Ohio State defeating Oregon in the Rose Bowl and Iowa shutting down GA Tech's triple option offense in the Orange Bowl.

TCU and Boise State faced each other as God intended in the Fiesta Bowl, with Boise State coming out victorious. Rumors are now going around that TCU, Utah, and Boise will all be in BCS conferences by the end of the decade.

Tim Tebow goes out a winner as Florida easily handles Cincinatti in the Sugar Bowl. Brian Kelly leaving Cincy for Notre Dame well before the game didn't help Cincy much. Neither did their interim coach saying before the game he'd be gone as well.

And finally, Mark Ingram won the Heisman in the closest Heisman race in history, just edging out Toby Gerhart to take it home. Personally, I think Gerhart and Ingram's cases were equally strong.
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