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[kbjone]

Session 4 (Played Friday night, Typed Saturday Night)

Match 7: Buh-Buh Ray Dudley (1-2, -4 pts) defeats Edge (0-3, -21 pts) by Pinfall in a hard-fought match that was much closer than the "final score" suggests. Edge got off to a fast start, yet was again let down by both his own slow deck, and Buh-Buh Ray's ability. However, Buh-Buh Ray had to survive his ability betraying him once again, as his first attempt to use it (drawing 10) was ended after only a pair of cards were played. But his second round (drawing 13 this time) landed much harder, and led to Edge's Arsenal quickly joining his Ringside pile. Included in the final carnage: Buh-Buh Punch.

(Buh-Buh Ray PIN Edge, 50-27)

Match 8: Christian (2-1, 13 pts) manages to get the last move in, defeating Matt Hardy (2-2, 6 pts) by Pinfall in another close call. Two turning points: Christian managed to pull off the fast start, holding Matt down long enough to build a small lead. But Matt Hardy went aerial quickly, landing a few moves including TB Matt's Moonsault, and while the move did not completely go through, the 2 Stun Value did help Matt reload. But Christian had the last laugh, and after his own turn of move + draw (rinse and repeat), Matt ran out of offense, and ran out of recovery also. The final move: Backhand Slap (Ouch.)

(Christian PIN Matt Hardy, 36-47)

One more session, as the full tag teams explode against each other to finish this tournament.

Buh-Buh Ray (1-2, -4) vs D-Von (3-0, 30, Champ)
Edge (0-3, -21) vs Christian (2-1, 13)



I'm hoping to finish by tomorrow morning, then Mania will be on hold for a little while. Currently, the following superstars are scheduled to compete:

Rob Van Dam
Big Show
Booker T
William Regal (Either Big Show or Booker's deck)
Spike Dudley (Likely RVD's deck)

[Thrawn]

Edge doing terrible is not surprising at all under that format.  His ability doesn't do much good when everyone is low SSV like in backlash.  Buh-Buh was just terrible all around back then, and a big part of what made Christian shine was his prematch, which is out of starter decks.

So it really came down to D-Von vs Hardy's.  I was a little bit surprised to see D-Von on top in that matchup to be honest.

[kbjone]

Session 5

Match 9: D-Von Dudley (4-0, 40 pts) joins Stone Cold as the only two "perfect" superstars, handily defeating Buh-Buh Ray Dudley (1-3, -11 pts) by Pinfall. Again, going first didn't mean as much as it used to, as Buh-Buh Ray's early moves could not damage D-Von enough to get the quick victory. Buh-Buh Ray did land a solid turn with his ability (draw 7), but an overturned reversal to a Tables Brain Buster (doing 16, reversed on 6) was Buh-Buh Ray's undoing. D-Von did that one better, hitting a Tables Neckbreaker for the full 16, and following it up with a Big Splash In The Corner for 10 more. After that, Buh-Buh Ray burned the rest of his Arsenal on one more ability draw (4 cards), and pulled nothing. A Running Lariat ended the match for D-Von.

Random Rules Q: Buh-Buh Ray uses his ability. If he plays a Stun Value move, reversed on overturn, would he have to discard any cards drawn for SV due to his ability along with his hand? (I'm pretty sure he would, because the SV draw would be before his ability triggers the end-of-turn discard.)

Match 10: Edge (1-3, -11 pts) finally breaks through, defeating Christian (2-2, 6 pts) by Pinfall in a close match. What was a slow beginning for Edge (0F through first few turns) actually worked in his favor, as once he landed a move, several more followed in quick succession. Christian could not finish Edge even with an early blitz, and despite ending the match with a 44-43 Fortitude lead, his largest move was for seven, and quite a few of his moves were reversed on early overturn. Edge, on the other hand, landed several bigger moves, including his Airplane Spin for the victory.

Final Standings:

D-Von Dudley: 4-0, 40 pts
Christian: 2-2, 6 pts
Matt Hardy: 2-2, 6 pts
Buh-Buh Ray Dudley: 1-3, -11 pts
Edge: 1-3, -11 pts


Now to prepare for Mania, and figure out what to do with Regal and Spike. They're in, just have to figure out which starter deck to use with them.

[JaysonPhenix]

He draws, the turn ends, hand is discarded

[Daeva]

Jayson is correct, the maneuver and everything associated with it must fully finish resolving before Buh-Buh's discard triggers.

[kbjone]

Mania Tournament:

Big Show, Booker T, and Rob Van Dam will all get their original starter decks, with the SS3 foil exchange. Booker's listed starter is 61 cards, so I will pull one copy of Kay-Fabe from the deck.



William Regal will play a "mixed" starter, with Booker's maneuvers and Lita's reversals + actions (Apply Illegal Leverage and Commissioner Rules for his ability). The total changes are:

REMOVE: Booker's Reversals and Actions, Lita's maneuvers, both sets of foils, Lita's face actions, One copy of Roll Out Of The Way (one left), Two copies of Kayfabe, and Two copies of X-Treme Measures

ADD: Regal's four non-foils from Mania (SS3 version - one each)

This deck should be interesting to play.



Spike Dudley will play RVD's starter, with the following changes:

REMOVE: RVD Foils, 3 X Throw Into Corner Turnbuckle, Running Bulldog, Big Splash in the Corner

ADD: Spike's four non-foils from Mania (SS3 version - one each), one Forearm Shot (two total), one Kick (Two total), and one Pump Kick (one total), one Fling Head Scissors (two total)

Spike has a little better 0F Maneuver base with the fixes... he can't exactly use RVD's ability with the bigger moves.


Funny sidenote: While building these decks, everyone's favorite Coach(man) popped up on my TV, on Sportscenter. I chuckled a little, but he's actually pretty good there. He may never be a Rock or Trish, but he seems happy there. Good for him.

[kbjone]

Jayson is correct, the maneuver and everything associated with it must fully finish resolving before Buh-Buh's discard triggers.

Good, I did play that correctly. I think I did... you can decline to draw Stun Value, right? (If not... oops.)

Later: I just took a quick read of an older (Armageddon) rulebook... it uses the term "may draw" for Stun Value. Unless that changed near the end of the game... I'm now sure I'm right.

[Turd Ferguson]

You played it correctly as far as I know. I have refused to draw stun value in the past and was never called out on it by anyone.

[kbjone]

Mania Tournament Schedule:

10 matches, five sessions:

Booker T vs Spike Dudley
Rob Van Dam vs William Regal

Big Show vs Booker T
Spike Dudley vs Rob Van Dam

William Regal vs Big Show
Booker T vs Rob Van Dam

Spike Dudley vs William Regal
Big Show vs Rob Van Dam

William Regal vs Booker T
Spike Dudley vs Big Show (No, this was not intentionally "saved" for last. Random draw rules.)

Schedule: None at present. Depends on my schedule, and if I decide to bring the cards back to college with me. 50/50 chance right now.

[Daeva]

Jayson is correct, the maneuver and everything associated with it must fully finish resolving before Buh-Buh's discard triggers.

Good, I did play that correctly. I think I did... you can decline to draw Stun Value, right? (If not... oops.)

Drawing for Stun is totally optional. You are not required to draw any Stun, and drawing partial Stun is perfectly fine too.

[kbjone]

Mania Tournament:

Sessions 1-2

Match 1: Spike Dudley gets us off to a fast start, defeating Booker T by a Backslide Pinfall. Booker's large hand wasn't enough to finish off Spike before Spike's ability made his hand a powerhouse. Multiple High Risks set up the finishing Backslide, as Booker's hand, long gone by then, had no defense for the series of moves.'

(Spike PIN Booker, 40-15)

Match 2: Rob Van Dam blitzed William Regal early, and Regal's hand throughout the match looked like a Kane hand. 14 cards, the cheapest non-reversal cost 2F (Strangle Hold, real useless against a Strike-High Risk deck), and his only reversals in hand were Escape Move and Break The Hold (Again, useless.). 14 cards in hand, nothing useful for Regal. At least he got off an Elbow before the match ended. RVD's killer early combo went Head Butt - Knee Smash - Throw Into Corner - Big Splash in the Corner - Running Bulldog. Half of Regal's Arsenal was gone before he could react.

(Van Dam PIN Regal, 50-2)

Match 3: Booker T (1-1, 3 pts) survives Big Show's (0-1, -7 pts) early assault , and comes back to pull off the Pinfall victory. A rarely seen combo (Eye Rake into TB Scissor Kick) put Booker T into the lead for good, and Big Show could not get any combos going.

(Booker PIN Show, 39-23)

Match 4: When Spike Dudley (1-1, 3 pts) cannot draw anything useful, bad things happen. Rob Van Dam (2-0, 20 pts) made those bad things happen quickly, finishing off Spike Dudley with the first Trademark Finisher seen in these tournaments, the Five Star Frog Splash. Spike's hand by the end of the match: 13 cards, all of which were F>0. Spike's Fortitude count: 0. Spike's Ring Area: 2 Step Asides, and a Got Wood.

(Van Dam PIN Spike, 54-0)

Coming up next:

William Regal (0-1, -7) vs Big Show (0-1, -7)
Booker T (1-1, 3) vs Rob Van Dam (2-0, 20)

[kbjone]

Session 3-4

Match 5: Our second consecutive shutout sees Big Show (1-1, 3 pts) easily defeat William Regal (0-2, -14 pts) by Pinfall. When you're getting hit by Beal Toss and reversed by Chokeslam... you won't last very long. Big Show's ability did give Regal a chance early on, but Regal could not draw enough 0F moves to get through Show's reversals. And once Big Show started throwing the bigger moves around, the match was all but over.

(Big Show PIN Regal, 51-0)

Match 6: Booker T (2-1, 13 pts) never let Rob Van Dam (2-1, 13pts) get any maneuver strings going, and beat him quite easily by Pinfall. A first turn that saw Booker hit a Scoop Slam and two Feign Strikes basically ended RVD's victory hopes, as RVD, without a hand, was unable to land any damaging combos. A few scattered moves gave RVD some Fortitude, but Booker's bigger moves, especially a Leg Drag - Spining Crescent Kick - TB Booker's Scissor Kick - Spinning T Kick - Chicken Wing combo (doing the full 35), ended any RVD comeback hopes.

(Booker PIN Van Dam, 46-10)

Match 7: William Regal (0-3, -21 pts) does NOT like his deck. Another impossible draw, this time against Spike Dudley (2-1, 13 pts), led to a quick and painful Pinfall loss for Regal. Spike's early draw wasn't perfect, but Regal's entire draw was worse. Spike finally got the edge for good when he hit back-to-back Reverse Flying Elbows (From The Top Rope, Play one RFE, pop FTTP, play the other). From there, all it took was a couple more moves, finished with a Flying Head Scissors aided by FTTP. Regal landed a Wrist Lock late, otherwise he would have been shutout again. Three matches, and a grand total of 4F for Regal so far.

Spike finishes against Big Show, while Regal faces Booker T in his last match.

(Spike PIN Regal, 51-2)

Match 8: Big Show (2-1, 13 pts) decimated Rob Van Dam (2-2, 6 pts), beating him all over the ring and eventually putting him away with Daddy's Little Girl (Overturn 3) for the Pinfall. Having his best shot for a comeback reversed by Showstopper Chokeslam was par for RVD's experience in this match. Big Show did have a couple of slower spells, but his reversals in hand made sure RVD couldn't take advantage of the downtime. RVD's only moves were hit late, and his lone High Risk attempt was reversed by Lift A Boot.

Big Show's finale will be against Spike Dudley, possibly for the title. RVD is finished, and will likely finish in 4th place after a promising start.

(Big Show PIN Van Dam, 47-10)


Our final two matches will be:

William Regal (0-3, -21) vs Booker T (2-1, 13)
Spike Dudley (2-1, 13) vs Big Show (2-1, 13)

Tiebreakers: Spike over Booker, Booker over Big Show (Booker's cheering for Big Show against Spike... or maybe a Countout either way)

[kbjone]

Session 5

Match 9: Booker T (3-1, 23 pts) beats William Regal (0-4, -28 pts) by Pinfall, in a rather dull match. At least Regal got some Fortitude (11) on the table this time. Booker ended Regal's upset chances with an Irish Whip + Spinning T Kick + Running Bulldog (pop Wooden Palette). Regal's solid early hand turned to crap as the match went on, and he found himself once again stuck without a move to throw.

Booker is now hoping for a Big Show win in the final match to give him the title on a tiebreaker. A Spike Pinfall win drops Booker to 2nd place. Regal finishes dead last, in the dreaded Kane spot.

(Booker PIN Regal, 36-11)

Match 10: The Big Show (3-1, 23 pts) got off to an early start against Spike Dudley (2-2, 6 pts), and despite a late Spike flurry, Show was able to easily get the Pinfall victory. Spike stayed in the match with a couple of early overturned reversals, but the combination of a Big Show Splash (for 15) and a Chokeslam (reversal for 12) hurt Spike badly, and a shot from the Ring Steps made Show's eventual Pinfall a formality.

Big Show finishes in 2nd place, as Booker T wins the Mania championship by tiebreaker. Spike finishes 4th, losing the 3rd place tiebreaker to Rob Van Dam.

(Big Show PIN Spike, 47-19)


Mania Results:

Booker T: 3-1, 23 pts, Champion
Big Show: 3-1, 23 pts
Rob Van Dam: 2-2, 6 pts
Spike Dudley: 2-2, 6 pts
William Regal: 0-4, -28 pts


Coming sometime in the future (no earlier than next weekend): SummerSlam. Only three superstars compete in this one:

Ric Flair
Hurricane
Tajiri

[Phenominal1]

Why only those 3?

[JaysonPhenix]

only ones from summerslam to be reprinted in SS3 and not be female

Although Hogan did get reprinted in Royal Rumble maybe make an exception and allow him lol  his cards were all TB'ed

[kbjone]

If I had Royal Rumble, I'd consider it. My current collection stops at Vengeance, with a full box of SS3 Rumble packs. I've been looking for Armageddon boosters for a while now... no one seems to have any. But there's plenty of Unforgiven, NWO, RR, and GAB around.

[Turd Ferguson]

For Summerslam you should at least throw in Trish to make it an even four. Seems kind of lame to use only three.

[kbjone]

I've already done three, back in Fully Loaded. It'll be double round robin, four matches for each superstar.

[frehocc]

Its funny how I'm looking forward to updates on this page. Keep going, and once you run out, you can probably get someone do it on apprentice with you.

[kbjone]

If I get lucky, I can start and finish SS this weekend. More likely, due to class assignments, I won't even start on it until next weekend.

Another random Q: Should I use the remakes in upcoming sets? I almost have to, otherwise there's no Velocity tournament (Rey-Rey's alone there)

If I do, I'd probably combine the original and remake records for ranking purposes. (If I don't give up before I can finish the sets, I have a long ago format for playing Raw Deal like the WWE... TV, PPV, belts, using tournament-style decks instead of the starters. If anyone would like to see the format, I have it saved as an Excel file.)

The reason I'm not using tag teams or women is that the women would have their own division and format, and the tag teams would also. (Although I think I'll have to do all-divas for Divas Unloaded... Cena's by himself there.)

P.S. (No, not Michael Hayes): From Armageddon forward, I'll use the actual starter decks, since none of them were even in SS3. I'm sure I can find some starter boxes for Armageddon, Unforgiven, No Way Out, and GAB online.

[Turd Ferguson]

You should use the Divas integrated with everyone else.

[Daeva]

Cena's got Goldberg to play against in Divas Overload.

Use the remakes with SS3 versions of their starter foils.

[kbjone]

Cena's got Goldberg to play against in Divas Overload.

Use the remakes with SS3 versions of their starter foils.

That's the current plan. But for my own record-keeping, I'll be adding The Game's results to Triple H's, for future seedings (see the post above). The same will apply to other remakes.

And Goldie was in SS3?

(Checks CI...)

He wasn't. So he's out for this... but will be involved if I get to the "WWF season". As will every other "unused" superstar from previous tournaments.

[kbjone]

No, I haven't vanished off the face of the earth. Just been busy with school and friends. ETA on the start of the SS tournament is sometime Friday.

Again, only Flair, Tajiri, and Hurricane will be in this one. Double round robin, 4 matches each. Hurricane and Tajiri will get Flair's starter, after some research on the options.

[HalfBadger]

Wow this is a really interesting thread.

For Summerslam I thought Flair would easily take it, but his two opponent might have a shot, even though he'll always start first and basically has a 5 handsize.

Hurricane can go fetch another maneuver and either get another 0F incase his gets bounced or a follow up card helping him build Fortitude. PLus he'll have an extra near omni reversal and action reversal.

Tajiri can bounce back his kicks if he wants to use it again and prevent them from getting reshuffled and which can help if he needs to wait a bit till he finds a follow up maneuver.

Like most starters I think this will depend on opening hands.

I like the idea of the Women and Tag Teams having their own tournaments also possibly having a tournament later for everyone who hasn't  competed yet.