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[Doctor Barone]

TNA is currently shitting all over WWE. So far we've had...

WWE:
HBK and Taker confrontation.
Divas tag team match.
ShowMiz and MorriTruth confrontation, with a scuffle.
Kris Angel segments.
Priceless vs Randy Orton. Orton attacks them as they make their entrance and runs to the ring. Ted pins Randy after Dream Street.
Batista vows to not interfere in the Vince vs Cena match.
Angry Triple H is angry, and making his way to ring. Says he would've done the same thing if he was Sheamus, who ends up interrupting him and coming to the ring. They will fight at Mania.
Santino segment with Angel. Pretty funny. He does thumb separation trick. Angel does something with a knife I wasn't paying attention to.
Evan Bourne vs William Regal for a MitB spot. Bourne wins clean.
Hart vs McMahon contract signing for next week announced, overseen by Steve Austin.
Kris Angel ring announcer for main event, Cena vs McMahon.
Vince announces that it is a Handicapped Gauntlet match. Cena is layed out by Kozlov, McIntyre, Swagger, and a reluctant Mark Henry. McMahon adds that this is now No DQ after he kicked out of the Strongest Slam. Henry tries to stop Vince. Vince says Henry must his Cena with the ring bell, but Mark won't do it. Batista comes out and spears Mark. Kofi tries to save John Cena, but Dave powerbombs him. Super Cena fights off Dave, turns to FU Vince, but Dave spears him, then powerbombs him. Raw ends with Dave standing over Cena.

TNA:
Hogan/Abyss vs AJ/Flair ending in DQ with a Sting return and heel turn. Rematch later, No DQ.
Sting gets in Dixie Carters face, Abyss cries over his heel turn.
Kazarian, Daniels, Williams in ring segment, turning into a triple threat X title match, Williams retains, Shannon Moore returns, will face Williams at Destination X.
Dixie announces Sting vs mystery opponent.
Triple Threat Knock Outs Tag Team title. Beautiful People vs Tara/Love vs Wild/Sarita. Beautiful People pin Tara after Daffney hits Tara with the KO title.
Pope interview, Desmond Wolfe attacks him.
Sting makes his way to the ring as JB celebrates with Beautiful People. They douse him with champagne.
RVD beats Sting in 15 seconds. Sting destroys him with the bat afterwards. Hogan comes out and Sting attacks him, too.
Kevin Nash comes out with Eric Young. Contract is drawn up for Nash/Young vs Hall/X-pac at Destination X. Hall and Pac come to the ring. Hall and Pac want a real contract if they win at Dest-X. Bischoff on the tron, and he agrees.
X-pac vs Eric Young, which Young wins with a piledriver.
Kurt Angle comes out with US military soldiers. Cuts a promo on how Anderson disrespected them and him. Anderson comes on the tron and talks about not caring about any of the soliders or Angle. Angle runs to the back and drags Anderson to the ring. Anderson gets a cheap shot and the soldiers stop him from running and beat his ass.
Hogan and Sponge backstage, Hebner wants another shot at being a ref. Sponge says Hogan should let him. Hogan tells Earl to stop the match later if Hogan is too hurt to keep going.
Jarrett vs Beer Money is announced after they jump him backstage. Mick Foley is the ref for some reason, and gives Jarrett the barbed wire bat to fend off Beer Money. Slick Johnson stops Jarrett, argues with Mick, who leaves the ring to put the bat away, and Johnson counts the 3 for Beer Money after a low blow and a finisher.
Styles/AJ vs Hogan/Abyss round two, No DQ. Hogan and Flair in the ring a lot, surprisingly. Both are bleeding. Abyss chokeslams both of them, Hogan gets tagged, Naytch and Styles come back. Hogan and Abyss hulk up, Abyss wins with the Black Hole Slam on Styles. Desmond Wolfe attacks the victors. Pope comes out for the save, but Styles stops him. Jeff Hardy makes the save now. Lays out every heel and the show ends with him standing on the top rope.

[thedemonkiller]

TNA is currently shitting all over WWE. So far we've had...

WWE:
HBK and Taker confrontation.
Divas tag team match.
ShowMiz and MorriTruth confrontation, with a scuffle.
Kris Angel segments.
Priceless vs Randy Orton. Orton attacks them as they make their entrance and runs to the ring. Match in progress.

TNA:
Hogan/Abyss vs AJ/Flair ending in DQ with a Sting return and heel turn. Rematch later, No DQ.
Sting gets in Dixie Carters face, Abyss cries over his heel turn.
Kazarian, Daniels, Williams in ring segment, turning into a triple threat X title match, Williams retains, Shannon Moore returns, will face Williams at Destination X.
Dixie announces Sting vs mystery opponent.
Triple Threat Knock Outs Tag Team title. Beautiful People vs Tara/Love vs Wild/Sarita. Beautiful People pin Tara after Daffney hits Tara with the KO title.
Pope interview, Desmond Wolfe attacks him.
Sting makes his way to the ring as JB celebrates with Beautiful People. They douse him with champagne.
RVD beats Sting in 15 seconds. Sting destroys him with the bat afterwards.

i've just marked out.... Sting Vs RVD? now that was way to bring him in and at the PPV it will be that again...

[sickness_within]

D@mn you bet me too it......well TNA has dropped the ball.

[Doctor Barone]

D@mn you bet me too it......well TNA has dropped the ball.

Are you kidding me? TNA is dominating the night so far.

[The Hurricane]

They didn't drop the ball. This week has beat the crap out of the last few Impacts.

[sickness_within]

sorry i meant with the whole RVD debut thing. RVD hits with his japan music, hops the barricade, diving kick to Sting then nails the tumbling senton for the three then the whole thing is stolen by being beat like a dog by Sting with a bat and Hogan showing up trying to act all big and bad then he gets whipped with the bat as well.

i know Sting is a big deal for him coming back (for the 20th time) but dont use RVD has the bait doll on the whole thing. He should of shown up during the X Title match as Williams next title defense at D-X.

I havent watch RAW since I cant watch both where I amsince he is recording something else so I cant tell you my thoughts on RAW but from what I have read below it aint much.

[JDub]

So far on when I was watching TNA nothing was happening. I watched about 3 min of the announcers babbling before a commercial, then the Beautiful people in a pointless backstage segment, then 5 more min of the announcers already telling is in great detail of what already happened tonight (with absolutly zero video footage by the way), then Sting comes out and stands in the ring for about another 3 min, RVD comes out and beats Sting in 15 seconds. Then we see an extended beatdown by heel Sting (why a heel turn?). Then Nash and Eric Young come out and talk for another 5 min and call out Hall and XPac, then commercial, then Hall and XPac slooooooooowly come to the ring. God damn TNA effing do something!

[rocky_iwata]

Impact has had an awesome show so far IMO. It's a good thing The Score, which carries all WWE shows here in Canada, has a rerun of Raw just less than an hour after the first run. I will watch Raw later.

[JDub]

Impact has had an awesome show so far IMO. It's a good thing The Score, which carries all WWE shows here in Canada, has a rerun of Raw just less than an hour after the first run. I will watch Raw later.

I still think they are showing Impact on Thursdays too.

[Doctor Barone]

TNA definitely took the win tonight. They lost their momentum in the second hour, but I enjoyed Impact MUCH more than I did Raw tonight.

[VelaCards]

WOW! I guess I must have been watching a different TNA show. An awesome show?

Really?

Really?

I will say it started out good, but that main event ... WOW! It was like watching wrestling in slow-motion.

I'm a mark for RVD (for obvious reasons to most) and I liked his debut. I think it was a short enough program to build from. I'm interested in seeing where it's headed.

Sting going heel? Hmm, this all seems very familiar to me.

Just watching the show, it all has a very bush-league feel to it. I don't care how many former WWE stars you fill the roster with, the program looks and feels like a 2nd rate program. Unless production values change and storylines reflect more modern themes that don't involve those who were wrestling before the "other" half of the roster was born, TNA will NEVER be as big as the WWE.

And that is sad in and of itself as the WWE product has been lame for some time now.

It's just my opinion.

Tony

[sickness_within]

The RVD debut was a freakin joke. Comes out nails 2 moves and wins against Sting who in returns bats a 100 on his candy a## for over 10 minutes while Hogan hobbles down the ramp acting all tough then gets knocked in the gut twice by Sting who walks off leaving Hogan acting hurt.

The main event was a poke fest between Hogan and Flair because that was all they threw at each other. AJ and Abyss were just dolls in the whole crapfest known as the main event of ImPact. They should of had Jeff Hardy be the bait doll for Sting and had RVD come out and save Hogan/Abyss leading to a possible 6 man tag next week.

TNA finally mentioned stuff about D-X and it looks like this 6 man tag will probally happen at D-X featuring Hogan/Abyss/Pope vs Styles/Flair/Wolfe. RVD and Sting will probally face each other in a different match to kinda fuel the "feud" that might come out of it.

ImPact did what it was made to do and that was make us talk and they did and we havent mentioned much of RAW in this thread and that is what they wanted. ImPact wanted to make a impact and they did alot of us watched ImPact then RAW or atleast the 10 or so people i was texting and talking to while I was watching it did and we are all WWE fans.

[Phenominal1]

Doubt there will be a 6 man tag as AJ is slated to defend against Abyss.

Personally, I think TNA did have a better show than WWE tonight. But even if you take a terd, give it a bath and put a bonnet on it, it's still a terd.

I loved the Sting beatdown of Hogan...God knows how much I wanted to do that myself.

3 way X division match? AWESOME! Giving Shannon Moore the X title shot at Destination X? LAME! Shannon hasnt done anything and yet they just handed him a shot...was that part of the deal to get Jeff? That they had to give Shannon a hand job too?

Knockouts tag match was ok. Nothing too spectacular. Not expected to be. At least Lacey Von Erich wasn't in it. That's all I can say.

Thank you Taz for giving away that RVD was coming. I was kinda surprised they let him beat Sting that quickly. It really was a good way to let them both stay intact. Give RVD that boost while not showing Sting as weak. The whole beatdown was drug on too long though. Personally, I hope RVD doesn't stay long. And definately do not put a belt around his waist.

I will be so happy when Nash vs the Band is over with. Here's to hoping EY piledrives Waltman again...and again...and again.

Jarrett vs Beer Money...wasn't too fond of this match, nor this whole thing between Bischoff and jarrett, but it helped get this all over. Would have rather seen more of Generation Me or the Machine Guns or even Big Rob Terry

The Angle segment was nice for the cheap, feel good pop. But whatever

All the main event needed was a cage and it really would have been "Slim Jim presents WCW Age in the Cage"...why oh why oh why did they liet Hogan and Flair work most of that match? .

All in all, a decent show. Kept my interest more than Raw did.

[sickness_within]

Thank you Taz for giving away that RVD was coming. I was kinda surprised they let him beat Sting that quickly. It really was a good way to let them both stay intact. Give RVD that boost while not showing Sting as weak. The whole beatdown was drug on too long though. Personally, I hope RVD doesn't stay long. And definately do not put a belt around his waist.

Having RVD beat Sting in 12 seconds doesnt make him look weak? I would of rather seen Sting/RVD go at it for like 5-10 minutes in a good match which I know they could of had then a 12 second beat down. It would of highlighted Stings ability from his return and give RVD a chance to shine a bit since his last television match was on RAW and it last about the same amount of time when he faced Santino (high kick into five star).

I think they still could of had Sting lose like him doing the Stinger Splash and miss leading to the senton or even the frog splash. They could of even had Sting attack him later on in the night or just left him alone. H3ll they could of even had RVD get Sting in a roll-up after him missing the Stinger Splash and still have him do the beatdown since he wasnt hit by a finisher. but instead they went with the whole squish into beat down.

Actually able to watch RAW for the most part I do agree TNA had RAW beat via showcase since what could of been a good lead-up to WM with Cena vs McMahon turned into a stupid match. I honestly was waiting for McMahon to do a sharpshooter or something to rub it in Hart's face.

[DogTheUnemployed]

Not really adding much to the discussion, but I did not watch Raw at all and only watched TNA on DVR with a lot of Fast Forward (I probably watched the whole thing in half an hour). Personally, I would call them both losers, but since I actually watched TNA, they get the slight nod.

P.S.: I listen to Hog 105.9 "Bob and Brian in the Morning", and Brian was going on about how he watched the first match between Hogan and Flair. He was going on about how overdone and fake it seemed. To be honest, I have to agree, but TNA got what they wanted: a non-wrestling fan (Brian) actually tuned into their show from Hogan's name recognition alone.

P.S.S:

Personally, I think TNA did have a better show than WWE tonight. But even if you take a terd, give it a bath and put a bonnet on it, it's still a terd.

I can understand the bath, but why a bonnet?

[JarekMace4]

RAW scored a 3.4 cable rating while TNA's iMPACT scored a 1.0 rating. Obviously this isn't close to the number TNA was looking for.

^This explains things pretty much.

[Turd Ferguson]

This was a terrible business move by TNA. It's more likely to hurt both companies than it is to help them. It will be interesting to see how badly they get crushed next week when Austin is the guest host.

[DogTheUnemployed]

RAW scored a 3.4 cable rating while TNA's iMPACT scored a 1.0 rating. Obviously this isn't close to the number TNA was looking for.

^This explains things pretty much.

Technically, WWE has always had more mainstream recognition so the fact that more people tuned into watch what most of us agree was the lesser show is no shocker. Lots of people watch The Springer Show and daytime television, but there was already a discussion about what a waste of time that is. The important thing is for TNA to maintain a superior level of product and get that 3.4 audience aware of them and slowly begin to balance the two ratios. I am just hoping that a competitor at least somewhat forces Vince to rejuvenate his programs and sparks the life back in pro-wrestling that diminished when WCW died and Vince had his near monopoly. I don't think I can take another series of celebrity hosts and million dollar giveaways instead of decent stories, good character development, and actual wrestling.

It will be interesting to see how badly they get crushed next week when Austin is the guest host.

I am expecting total decimation. Personally, I still mark for Austin, but I haven't enjoyed Hogan since Mr. America.

[Phenominal1]

After reading the spoilers for next week's TNA, I think thats'a a very safe assumption Dog.

Oh and the reason for the bonnet is because TNA is like a baby compared to WWE....ok, that's lame but it's the best reason you're gonna get as to why.

[rated SRH]

Sting actually was booed this time.TNA had a MUCH better show than the last time they went head to head.I thought TNA was slightly better than Raw.However raw killed them in ratings Impact drew a .98 Raw pulled a 3.4

[Scotty]

I watched TNA for 20 about minutes (The Sting/RVD segment and the Hall/Nash segment). I saw:
Two 30 second matches
27 security guards
3 wrestlers over 50

For Total Non-Stop Action...I saw...1 minute of "action" in 20 minutes. Really? Where's the wrestling? Maybe I caught it at the wrong time, but I was not sticking around to find out!

[Doctor Barone]

Maybe I caught it at the wrong time, but I was not sticking around to find out!

You did. The first hour was solid, but as I said earlier in the thread, they lost their momentum in the second half.

[JaysonPhenix]

you also forgot about the 15 minutes of time wasted on Brooke Hogan and her "crying" ability

[rated SRH]

Anyone wanna place bets she wins Knockouts title by lets say October?

[JDub]

Anyone wanna place bets she wins Knockouts title by lets say October?

Hey she would fit perfectly into the Beautiful People. Hot blond who can't wrestle.

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