I've been involved with the hobby since I was about 10 (am 21 now), but it dropped off when I was about 14-15 due to nobody in my area playing, sex, dragons and rock&roll (as what happens with most guys in the hobby my age), but started back about 2 years ago when I started hanging out with some guys who were still in the hobby. Play Dark Elves in fantasy, and have 2 work in progress projects for 40k (Aurora Chapter marines and Tzeentch Daemons), and I will play any specialist game under the sun


I do absolutley agree with this, and it's my first counter-argument when magic players try and talk about a "prohibitive cost of entry" into wargaming.

It always depends on what side of the fence you're on though, in terms of casual vs competitive. I know magic players that ignore the fact that formats exist and just play with whatever cards they own, and at the same time watch warhammer players drop hundreds of euro on new toys just because a new army list or unit is "overpowered". A company will always find a way to punish your wallet if you want to be at the pinnacle of their game

It was also the RW Control deck from US Nationals 2009

as for new cards to add, there's act of agression from the new set, instant speed act of treason is nuts if they swing a bunch of dudes at you. if you feel like you don't have enough ways to punish them when you take their dudes then you could play something like Bloodthrone Vampire I guess.

Also, if you're using pyroclasm as your main "wrath" effect, I would play slagstorm over it. It costs more, but you end up being able to kill way more stuff without the help of your other burn

If you end up having enough DnD players supporting your store, I would have a look at trying to get at least 1 or each release from DnD.

The only thing that you don't have that I would suggest would be the Pokemon tcg. The stuff gathers dust on the shelf here in Ireland but as far as I'm aware there's a pretty big scene in the states, and if you have any local players, I'd say pick up the following:
1 Box of HS: Triumphant
1 Box of BW Base Set
1 Display of BW Starter Decks
1 Display of BW Legends Tins

Another game with a fringe amount of players would be Legend of the Five Rings, so the basics for that game would be:
1 Box of Celestial Edition Starter decks
1 Box of The Dead of Winter Boosters
1 Box of The Dead of Winter Starter Decks
1 Box of Before the Dawn Boosters
1 Box of Before the Dawn Starter Decks
2-3 Copies of Battle of Kyuden Tonbo

How big is the store in terms of how many people you could have playing ccgs? Maybe try and find a local DCI Judge and have a look at running Magic Prereleases and FNMs

Anyway I hope this helps, and good luck with the shop man

Apologies in advance, but I'm gonna throw a shameless bump into this thread to try and get some new eyes on the list.

With the summer coming up I'll have a lot more time to actually get some games in in the evening, so I'll be getting a feel for the deck anyway, just wanna make sure that I have a decent starting point

Derp by me.


I think that the argument that Kor Firewalker isn't a big factor is a result of red in general not being a factor in the metagame.

I know Perilious Myr is the common answer for firewalker, cards like that have always been the go-to-guy for hate bears(Moonglove Extract being the most obvious for example), and was going to be my next suggestion for a replacement for the leylines  


In that case my comments don't hold nearly as much weight as they might have if I had posted sooner to the OP date, seeing as NPH is legal on Saturday.


I'd like to address this. I don't think that at any point I was overly condescending or patronising when I was writing my previous posts. I think you're assuming that just because I'm coming to this forum from a primarily MtG background, and I post on the Magic board commenting on the deck of someone whom, from my perspective, is a primarily Raw Deal player, that I'm instantly better them at magic. This isn't the case whatsoever, and not my intention at all, but I do apologise if I came across as such.

I simply saw that you had posted up this thread when I was looking through the board randomly, and I heard bits and pieces about this archetype from US nationals qualifiers, so I decided to have a look at the list, and gave my critiques and some suggestions.

I would expect no less if the roles were reversed and I had posted a Raw Deal list(which I would very much appreciate given my lack of knowledge of the game). But that's getting off topic for the thread, but I'm happy to take this to PMs if you'd like to talk some more.

Again, my sincerest apologies if I came across in the wrong light.

Unblockable Shroud Guy, which is going to be lame if they can stick a sword or a Batterskull and hit you with it once, and either gain a ton of life and bolting you at least once(maybe twice) for free, or getting to uptap all their lands and have countermagic up, or play another one.

Regardless of how many shatter effects you have, this could still very well happen if you have to tap out hardcast the leyline, which is more likely than you think, since you don't have 4, and it's not the card you want to mulligan into having in your opening hand, and if you don't cast the leyline to keep up mana for shatter effects, then they're just gonna keep gaining life till the cows come home.

EDIT: You also have the perfectly good answer to Firewalker in Contagion Clasp/Inkmoth Nexus in your maindeck anyway

Mebrind, obv. Used to draft a lot in prep for big tournies, but haven't had the money or the motivation to log on in a while, but I do pop in the odd time to get the log in bonus for player rewards

Have you had a look at what New Phyrexia brings to the deck yet? Not sure there's much, but I would snap replace Kuldotha Phoenix with the new red praetor (Urabrask, the Hidden).

If you thought you could make enough room in the sideboard, you could pack the Cunning Sparkmage/Basilisk Collar combo, and Inferno Titan is a pretty decent man these days too.

I'm not sure you need the leyline tbh. the main life gainers these days are baneslayer angel, which doesnt even see that much play, the new sword from New Phyrexia (Sword of War and Peace), which you have infinite shatter effects for, and Kor Firewalker, which you can't interact with beyond clasp anyway. The only thing that you really care about in that list is kor firewalker, and a card like leyline isn't the droids you're looking for when it comes to a counter for it.

What do you play against, or expect to be playing against in your local meta?

I got pure trolled on Sunday...

I don't watch TNA, so it's grand if it stops her making sex tapes...

Very sad to see this happen so unexpectedly, but it is for the best if, it would be so sad to see a guy like that in a wheelchair for the rest of his days.

I dunno about the GM angle, since he's almost always been at odds with the GM, and gotten screwed over a few times. I could see him staying around as a manager, with his mic skills he could be an awesome mouthpiece for an up-and-comer.

All that said I wouldn't be surprised to see him behind the announce desk within a year(or whenever Lawler chooses to retire).

ah cool cool, didnt have the card text in from of me, but I just assumed that it was double the amount because it was 10 and 10.

ty for the explanation, I'll look into a volley build in the next while and lash up another list.

I wouldn't mind getting in on this too.

This sums up the reason I refuse to watch TNA's programming, it's this sort of Russo booking and horrible decision making that put WCW out of business, that and the fact I think they're making a huge mistake in putting ex-WWE guys over the guys who built TNA into what it is today. Like, AJ Styles lost the belt to RVD April 19th last year, and Sting is the first non ex-WWE guy to hold it since then.

On the bright side, maybe this the final kick in the arse TNA needs to crap-can Jeff Hardy, because eventually they have to realise that regardless of what the guy does for your merchandise sales, if you need to have an 88-second PPV main event because the guy is too drugged to do anything, then you're going to lose waaaaaaaaay more money from your dissappearing PPV buys (which are low enough as it is iirc).

Added in all of the backstage stuff, although there's like 7 cards if I unclude everything, is there a cap on the number of backstages?

I read somewhere that pre and mid-match were upped from 10 to 12? So i can pack 24 pre-match per their ability?

The deck in the first post is 60 cards now, if a bit generic and subpar (although I'm not sure), but I'll use it to bash some games out to get a feel for the game again. I guess the last thing I would ask is what would I fill out the last 10 backlash cards with, I assume it would just be a bunch of meta since I think I have the staples in, and if the Arsenal actually works the way it is?

I'm not sure how chain, heat or volley works, so I might leave that idea for the minute while I actually sort out the basics but i would be interested in trying it at some point, since I keep seeing people mention how it's a good build for them

sorry for bumping a thread after nobody replying to it for a while, but I've been doing the most of the work on this deck in work, so I'm not able to DL the visual spoilers for the Virtual Raw Deal sets (I find it difficult to build decks without images of the actual cards for whatever reason).

Interest about the game has slightly waned, with the guys who said to me they'd look into not doing nothing of the sort, but I'm still dead interested, which turns me to playing online. the decklist in the first post was just classic, but I'd be now looking to change it to virtual classic. Firstly, that means that I can use all the RL raw deal sets up to before Rev1, and Rev4 and 5 from the virtual??

Also, how would I modify the deck as is to include cards from those sets. The obvious one I saw was Fur Coats, but haven't really seen anything else (again, due to my inexperience with the game itself).

MNM

1. Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2. Stoneforge Mystic
3. Primeval Titan
4. Lotus Cobra
5. Squadron Hawk
6. Preordain
7. Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
8. Tezzerett, Agent of Bolas
9. Lightning Bolt

Honourable mentions: Wurmcoil Engine, Sword of Feast & Famine, Koth of the Hammer, Oracle of Mul Daya, Gideon Jura

Mebrind in game, on EU server though.

Play mostly Master Yi and Zilean, and a little bit of Taric

Clearly not

Care to explain?

Completley agree with this, albeit I've only played the base game for Invasion, but it was still very enjoyable, and the pack system is quite possibly the best pro-ccg player system I have ever seen a company implement.

Hey guys,

I've been posting here the last couple of days, but actully want to start building a deck. After originally thinking that AA would be the way to go, I decided that it would be easier to just go non-virtual classic (I'm trying to get some friends into the game too, so the smaller the cardpool, the more likely they'll be to pick up playing). I've already decided that I'm going to play MNM, since I'm gay for John Morrison, and MNM is the only way to do that with all real cards.

I'm basing my deck on the following article, since it's the most I can find on the deck on the net:
http://www.comicimages.com/rawdeal/strategy/articles/2006-629-2.htm (It's AB and from '06, but it's all I could find)

The main problem I'm having is not knowing the staples of the format, archetypes etc, and trying to do it has been a bit daunting so far.

The main guy whose getting into it with me wants to play The Rock, and I have the premiere edition Rock starter deck, so I was going to use that version of The Rock to build his deck, so I'd apreciate help with that one too, or should I make a different thread for that??

Lastly, how when I settle on a build, I'd like to make it decent for online play too, and I have no clue beyond adding "Fur Coats" to the backstage, so I'd appreciate a bit of help with that too.

This is what I've got so far

**Decklist moved to first post**

The Main Restrications on the build are going to be using all the MNM Uniques and the Smackdown Tag Titles, since that's what I wanna use(I know that some of the uniques are pretty bad, but there's not many of them).

Thanks in advance for any help

Is there any chance a Mod can delete this thread?? I think I'm just gonna build a classic deck to start, so I was gonna move the thread to the classic section.

Magic is still number 1 obv. I dunno how prominent WoW is now since the new company took over, nobody plays it here (in Ireland).

There's a fair amount of casual YGO players who buy cards from the shop I play in, and tournies the odd sunday. There used to be a Pokémon scene, but the league organiser moved to England about a month ago so that died a quiet death.

L5R is in a resurgance in Dublin atm, with over a dozen new players in the last few months, and with the new edition later this year, I expect there to be even more people this year.

Thats the story with Dublin anyway, in fairness though the country has always been magic dominated pretty much tbh. If you're American I imagine WoW and Pokémon are much bigger in your area that here anyway, and both those games are looking pretty healthy based on what I've read on the 'net, so regardless what you pick it seems like you'd be able to get a healthy community along with it