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[Buddha Dudley]

That 8 bucks is well worth it for the drafting capabilities alone. I smell a Drunk Raw Deal draft in rocky's future...

[kbjone]

In today's episode of "No. Not even for 20% of that price.":

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUGE-Lot-of-WWE-Raw-Deal-CCG-Cards-Full-Of-Good-Cards-Full-List-/320892388951?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab6ad4657

He's gotta be racking up the fees... and for a set that wouldn't have gotten that price during the best Raw Deal era.

[LordFa9]

In today's episode of "No. Not even for 20% of that price.":

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUGE-Lot-of-WWE-Raw-Deal-CCG-Cards-Full-Of-Good-Cards-Full-List-/320892388951?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab6ad4657

He's gotta be racking up the fees... and for a set that wouldn't have gotten that price during the best Raw Deal era.

sadly rumble packs totally torpedoed the price of superstar specific premium rares

[piperspitt]

I don't think they had much of a price before Rumble Packs. It's the Unforgiven and beyond PRs that are of decent value.

[maskedllama]

Yeah, it is absurd, given as some other gent has 100 random cards for around 11 bucks. 

[Rance Mohammitz]

In today's episode of "No. Not even for 20% of that price.":

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUGE-Lot-of-WWE-Raw-Deal-CCG-Cards-Full-Of-Good-Cards-Full-List-/320892388951?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab6ad4657

He's gotta be racking up the fees... and for a set that wouldn't have gotten that price during the best Raw Deal era.

It's times like these when you can use a sellers user name to judge the quality of the auction.

I remember once seeing a dude with the name "cardlicker" selling cards too. I chose not to buy cards from him either.

[LordFa9]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200748842884?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649

ok thats it I'm totally selling all my good stuff on ebay

[Scotty]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200748842884?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649

ok thats it I'm totally selling all my good stuff on ebay

Quick!  You better buy the one right below it for $5, so you can sell it for $26!

[LordFa9]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200748842884?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649

ok thats it I'm totally selling all my good stuff on ebay

Quick!  You better buy the one right below it for $5, so you can sell it for $26!

already got one coming in and those below it only ship to USA :/

[LordFa9]

Is it just me or did this go for to low?:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWE-Raw-Deal-Armageddon-is-upon-us-UR-Phenom-Randy-Orton-JBL-Shane-/251029322558?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a72837b3e&autorefresh=true#ht_500wt_1182

maybe..maybe, consider the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWE-Raw-Deal-Armageddon-is-upon-us-UR-Phenom-Randy-Orton-JBL-Shane-/251029322558?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a72837b3e&autorefresh=true#ht_500wt_1182

[kbjone]

The current AIUU auction is already higher...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWE-Raw-Deal-Armageddon-Upon-Us-Foil-Very-Rare-Ultra-Rare-HOT-CCG-TCG-/221013201406?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D251029322558%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8084721610024351891

[LordFa9]

The current AIUU auction is already higher...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWE-Raw-Deal-Armageddon-Upon-Us-Foil-Very-Rare-Ultra-Rare-HOT-CCG-TCG-/221013201406?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D251029322558%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8084721610024351891

godamnit I pasted the same thing twice in my previous post

this was what I was talking about lol

[LordFa9]

The current AIUU auction is already higher...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWE-Raw-Deal-Armageddon-Upon-Us-Foil-Very-Rare-Ultra-Rare-HOT-CCG-TCG-/221013201406?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D251029322558%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8084721610024351891

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150809135587?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I'm impressed, and with 3 more days to run

[piperspitt]

It's all good until the buyer disputes the charge. :/

[LordFa9]

It's all good until the buyer disputes the charge. :/

the way you make it sound as if selling on ebay is akin to putting your stuff in a cardboard box and leaving it on the street

maybe i'm wet behind the ears still but ebay still hasn't found out a way to counteract scammers like this yet?

I've also kinda noticed that I'm always seeing the same few names crop up at auctions like these, maybe its a scammer ring for all i know :shrugs:

[piperspitt]

I'm very disappointed that eBay hides the names of bidders. I realize there was a reason behind it, but it's tougher to sniff out BS now. It's not all of eBay by any means, but when people overpay for Raw Deal cards there must be something fishy.

[Scotty]

But are they overpaying? It's the only one on the ebay market, so if a person wants it, they're gonna have to pay for it. Maybe AIUU is worth more than both of us thought.

Basic economics here - demand is higher than supply, therefore you get higher prices.

[piperspitt]

There may be Only one right now, but it's a card that is on there pretty consistently. If it was Rock Footstomp TB I would believe in the lack of supply driving demand, but I don't think it fits in this case.

[VelaCards]

There may be Only one right now, but it's a card that is on there pretty consistently. If it was Rock Footstomp TB I would believe in the lack of supply driving demand, but I don't think it fits in this case.

I disagree. It absolutely fits this case.

And besides, regardless of frequency of any of these cards showing up, the basic principle of supply vs. demand unequivocally and without question is the key issue here.

Deadbeat buyers and all, the card prices are driven up for any number of reasons, including bogus bidding. I fall prey to these scammers in more ways than one, but more commonly in the way of rarely getting the same prices as those cards that are commanding such (nevansdaddy comes to mind, but then again, they have purchased from me on more than 1 occasion)

In another thread the topic of prices was on trial and I also completely disagree with the quoted pricing of "closer to $3", especially for the cards in question. But that's another topic altogether.

e-Bay is a hit and miss business. Always has been. Always will be. I know this from my long use of it's service and high feedback worth of experience.

If someone is jacking up the prices and they end up paying, then good for the seller (I'm done wondering how they do it and I can't on some cards) and the price range is now that much more open.

If you're a thrifty buyer and these prices don't fit your budget, then good for you, too and continued good luck with your purchases.

VC

[piperspitt]

If it is on eBay frequently, there is not a lack of supply. We must be on different wavelengths for definition of supply. What I was referring to is a card like Cardboard Currency which only shows up on eBay about once a year.  When that happens, people will open up and pay more than they thought they were willing to pay because they fear they may not get another opportunity. That's the situation that I don't think fits in this case.
  For the AIUU, I have been able to buy it in the 20-25 range whenever I tried. This was before the free TB version came out. I agree that I hope the seller gets the final price here because it makes my collection more valuable, but something smells foul in Denmark or Singapore to me.  I certainly don't want our awesome sellers (like Tony) getting hosed and I hate to see frustrated players trying to sell their collection for close to those prices and not even get close offers.

[LordFa9]

If it is on eBay frequently, there is not a lack of supply. We must be on different wavelengths for definition of supply. What I was referring to is a card like Cardboard Currency which only shows up on eBay about once a year.  When that happens, people will open up and pay more than they thought they were willing to pay because they fear they may not get another opportunity. That's the situation that I don't think fits in this case.
  For the AIUU, I have been able to buy it in the 20-25 range whenever I tried. This was before the free TB version came out. I agree that I hope the seller gets the final price here because it makes my collection more valuable, but something smells foul in Denmark or Singapore to me.  I certainly don't want our awesome sellers (like Tony) getting hosed and I hate to see frustrated players trying to sell their collection for close to those prices and not even get close offers.

my definition of supply is pretty much the same as yours.

Thing is I've never seen AIUU go below USD$50, and personally after observing the market I really do think its worth that much

either that or its a combination of local sellers jacking up the price to profit and as what velacards and piperspitt said, wankers jacking up the price to the high heavens since after all, they intend to dispute the paypal payment from day 1.

btw what do you guys think of this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150809136840?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[Jokerfish]

Thats kind of the price range I expect for that card as it is hard to get and the people who want it really want it. if it jumps 20 bucks before it ends I'd say that is a bit much

[VelaCards]

FTTOM (TB) should fetch between $60 -$80, along with several other hard to pull (find) cards.

Edit: and I'm no questioning the definition of "supply" all by itself, but when you factor in the "demand" as well, I don't care what the supply is, if the demand is still great, then the supply can't reach them all.

Bottom line is ... Go find it. Find me a booster box the item came from and then let us know what you pulled from that box. These boxes just aren't around anymore.

Plus, if sellers keep throwing these cards up for sale, and buyers keep paying these "ridiculous" prices, guess the market value is a bit higher than what one thought.

If your a bargain basket shopper, a thrifty buyer or just get lucky with your auction purchases, that's good for you. Everyone gets great finds/deals from time to time. But to call these prices too high is just plain ignorant to the definition of what supply vs. demand is all about.

I would love nothing more than these high prices to be the standard, both as a seller and for my own personal collection (which is every SS specific and every version of each of those cards). But I also understand deals can be found when buyers are not all looking at the same time.

I'm just as concerned by prices as everyone else (both as a seller and a buyer) and have my own issues as to the validity of some of these sales. I'm dealing with several claims with PayPal/eBay, all from buyers from international orders. The "padded" prices on some sellers auctions are a combination of having others push the price up and/or deadbeat bidders who are going to file a claim against you no matter what.

Maybe I'll only accept payment from certain countries via international money orders (US funds only) or good old hard cash.

VC

[LordFa9]

Edit: and I'm no questioning the definition of "supply" all by itself, but when you factor in the "demand" as well, I don't care what the supply is, if the demand is still great, then the supply can't reach them all.

Plus, if sellers keep throwing these cards up for sale, and buyers keep paying these "ridiculous" prices, guess the market value is a bit higher than what one thought.

one of the golden rules of trading to me always has been: I don't put much weight on what anyone thinks its worth, what I care is what I can get from it in the open market if i take my time.

95% of the time those 2 mean the same thing, but in the a/m AIUU case there's a clear distinction

[piperspitt]

I somehow missed the FTTOM tb link earlier, that should end around $75 if all bids are legit paying buyers.

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