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[elceh]

@Scotty: I do appreciate the input.  I'm hoping this opinion changes with upcoming releases.

Concerning Extremists, their support does seem lackluster.  In some cases, they are interchangable.  However, I can understand this lack of support, as these wrestlers and this style of wrestling are diminishing and reserved for certain events or occasions.

[VelaCards]

No storyline Ric Flair always seemed like a hard build to me.

Actually, I just re-read this comment .... Storyline Flair, to me, is the weaker of the 2 builds for him. His printed ability is way stronger. The ability to pick up moves from ringside is just way good.  

Somewhere in this forum is a thread with my original Flair build. Since that build, I have fine tuned the deck some. From all the matches I've had with that deck, I've had a much higher success rate than storyline Flair.

Would love to see someone's storyline Flair build.  

VC

[elceh]

Totally agree.  Ric, when built correctly, is hella strong.  You can make him discard cards and overturn cards, and he keeps coming back for more!

I'm also curious to see what other Ric flair builds are out there.  I've only seen 2 Ric decks and neither included the Storyline.

[VelaCards]

Totally agree.  Ric, when built correctly, is hella strong.  You can make him discard cards and overturn cards, and he keeps coming back for more!

I'm also curious to see what other Ric flair builds are out there.  I've only seen 2 Ric decks and neither included the Storyline.

OK, so no takers for a <R> Flair Storyline deck build. Hmm ... Guess I know what my next <R> deck is going to be! 

Deck list to follow soon (time permitting).

VC

[Buddha Dudley]

I'd try to build Flair Storyline... I'm just not as good as you are Tony in Rev and I don't want to be embarrassed by your amazing build that is soon to follow.

-D

[Daeva]

Flair's Storyline is a meta choice. If you are seeing a lot of Core-wave decks, dropping Founder of the Four Horsemen makes the Core reversals that you're packing do triple duty. If you're seeing more of people hitting their one or two Cores and bridging right off into Means, then Founder is a horrid choice. IMO, the Storyline works best when you can take it or leave it in your deck, playing it when you expect a deck to throw quite a few Cores at you and leaving it out when you expect to see more Means and Colossals so you can scoop up your punches and leg targets.

[CreedP]

See, I felt the same about Kane's Storyline...  It's like a Superstar-specific Rules Are Meant To Be Broken, heh.  When you see Christian or another Antic-friendly deck, you can put it out instead and have Antic reversals on tap.  (Especially if your build includes the hybrid antic/moves, like Uppercut and Suplex)

CREED

[Buddha Dudley]

Flair's Storyline is a meta choice. If you are seeing a lot of Core-wave decks, dropping Founder of the Four Horsemen makes the Core reversals that you're packing do triple duty. If you're seeing more of people hitting their one or two Cores and bridging right off into Means, then Founder is a horrid choice. IMO, the Storyline works best when you can take it or leave it in your deck, playing it when you expect a deck to throw quite a few Cores at you and leaving it out when you expect to see more Means and Colossals so you can scoop up your punches and leg targets.

I definitely see Daeva's point about how Founder can and probably should be seen as more of a tech card. The problem is I'd say more than 66% of the time, the Ric Flair player would be better off not playing it and just going with The Second Solution because the Rev deck you're facing either
A.) is running more Means and Colossals and very few cores like Scissor Hold and Transition Hold
B.) running all Extreme Cores instead

It's really hard to be middle of the road on this one just because Flair's printed ability is so strong and you will not always be able to with 100% certainty accurately predict if the opponent is running a lot of Cores and even if they are running a lot of cores, you need to make sure they're not going a full Extremes Route. Having said that, being able to accurately predict the opponent is something that is severely underrated.

Looking at Founder as more of a tech card as well as the Kane Storyline is something I've found hard to do with the limited Pre-match capacities in Rev, but I did sort of expand my thinking on this subject.

[Daeva]

It's really hard to be middle of the road on this one just because Flair's printed ability is so strong and you will not always be able to with 100% certainty accurately predict if the opponent is running a lot of Cores and even if they are running a lot of cores, you need to make sure they're not going a full Extremes Route. Having said that, being able to accurately predict the opponent is something that is severely underrated.

I can absolutely assure you that both Storyline Rey and Storyline Austin will be running enough Cores to make Founder a useful play.

[elceh]

I can absolutely assure you that both Storyline Rey and Storyline Austin will be running enough Cores to make Founder a useful play.
[/quote]

I don't disagree with you on this, Daeva.  Storyline Rey and Storyline Stone Cold would Core opponents to death, like a thousand mosquito bites, especially when paired with Hardcore Hell.  It's like you mentioned; it's a meta choice.  However, the majority of Maneuvers currently played in REV are Means and Colossals.  Those of us who are dedicated to REV (all 7 of us) are packing accordingly.

[VelaCards]

OK, it's been some time, but I thought I would make a more recent post here.

I haven't built anything new recently, but going over some of my deck lists I noticed that I did try and give <R> Great Khali a run with a few different builds and none of them seemed to hold up too well.

At least with <R> Kane I have the ability to pick up maneuvers from ringside.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

VC

[Jokerfish]

Rev Kane has always been my fave deck. Especially since it's still Undefeated at worlds. His storyline while I see it as potentially useful any ability that makes you discard in rev is going to have draw backs just because your hand is so important.

Story line Kahli seems like the toughest to build honestly.

[CreedP]

The sad thing is, like a lot of decks, he got good with abusing Extremes in the poor reversal environment for them.  However, with Too Extreme For Your Own Good around, its quite a bit tougher.  Seems like he'd be good as a Hardcore Hell deck though, or build toward Superkicks.

Funny thing is?  He's a LOT better in AA than in Revo!

CREED

[CRASHER]

Funny thing is?  He's a LOT better in AA than in Revo!

That seems to be true for a lot of the revo superstars though (Kurt Angle comes to mind too), but I believe that's more from the access to a superior card pool, but that's hard for me to back up since my exposure to revo is limited at best.....

[CreedP]

True, but I mean that at the start of a Revo, you're fetching a move that can be reversed by Second Solution, period.  But in AA, you're fetching that Clutch to go with the Leverage you got from No Sell, or the German Suplex... Atomic Lariat.. or you do more techy stuff, like grabbing your Steel Chain Shots. 

CREED

[CRASHER]

Well if you made him an extremist, he can fetch A New Breed Unleashed, I don't think there's many stoppers for a unique extreme first turn is there?

[CreedP]

I don't build a Revolution deck without Too Extreme For Your Own Good.  So its a bad play for him, not worth the tradeoff.  Yeah, you can fetch Extremes with him, but that's no better than, say, Dreamer or Balls Mahoney.

CREED

[Buddha Dudley]

I don't build a Revolution deck without Too Extreme For Your Own Good. 
CREED

QFT. IMO you need a good reason to not pack this card. I do it for  New Breed Unleashed defense lest we forget the Pre-match is free and severely punishes anyone trying to become an Extremist (which you used to see pre-Virtual Revolution but never anymore).  Don't get me wrong, there are reasons why you wouldn't pack it, Man of 1000 Pre-Match comes to mind, but I almost always start my <R> building with Too Extreme.

[elceh]

In REV format, it is universally agreed that REV Too Extreme is essential.

I'd love to see a successful REV Stone Cold with Storyline in REV format.  I took a crack at once with minimal success.

[Buddha Dudley]

elceh,

If it brings you back to the On One, next Rev tournament, I'll let you choose between me playing Stone Cold Storyline or Great Khali.

-D

[elceh]

elceh,

If it brings you back to the On One, next Rev tournament, I'll let you choose between me playing Stone Cold Storyline or Great Khali.

-D

Nothing would make me happier than to get beat by the 2011 Raw Deal World Champion in Velacards' format.

However, I don't feel like getting a STUNNER! by STONE COLD!  STONE COLD!  STONE COLD!  How about a killer REV Kevin Thorn deck in REV format?

[VelaCards]

elceh,

If it brings you back to the On One, next Rev tournament, I'll let you choose between me playing Stone Cold Storyline or Great Khali.

-D

Wha-wha-wha-whaaaat? A <R> format tourney? Lets do it!

 

VC

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