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[rated SRH]

Kinda wondering why some of these cards were never made.

Thumbs Down-Batistia
Creatures of the Night- Undertaker
non revo HHH Spinebuster
Deadmans Motorcycle- Deadman Inc.
Chokeslam-Regular old Grapple
 
Not complaining just thought a few of these would of been made by comic images.

[superradjoe]

Well for the regular Chokeslam, it's not really a move that's just used by everyone, and any wrestler that used the chokeslam had their own version of the move.

[piperspitt]

I hated the Batista Thumbs Down, WWE really tried to force a stupid "catch phrase" type of gimmick with that. It seemed fake, forced, and unoriginal. Batista was too bad ass for that.

[HalfBadger]

Well for the regular Chokeslam, it's not really a move that's just used by everyone, and any wrestler that used the chokeslam had their own version of the move.

To add to this argument. It's a move that typically only big guys did in WWE like power slam. However unlike chokeslam was used by a lot of guys as their finisher at the time, where powerslam wasn't. Very moves that Superstars use as their finisher have a generic version I believe, especially from the guys who were around when Raw Deal first came out.

as for Creatures of the Night, I'm not familiar with this as a catch phrase of Taker's

non revo HHH spinebuster, what HHH ss specific would you replace for the spinebuster?

Deadman's motorcycle, there was rollin' rollin' that's fairly close

Thumbs down, don't know about this one, does make sense that they could have made one.

[shane11392]

You could easily get rid of Bring the Hammer Down. He already has the Sledgehammer Shot and I think its good enough.

[Philippine Milkfish]

Or HHH's Reverse Neckbreaker. He never does that move anymore anyway. Though I imagine it would be too much of a bother to replace something that works fine.

[LordFa9]

of your list the only thing that really bothers me was that there is no Thumbs Up- Thumbs Down, it would have made a great hybrid Action/Reversal

I would not have bet against it being a non unique PR if RD classic hadn't ended prematurely at GAB

Deadman's Bike would have made for a great backstage card, except that gimmick ended before it could be made and Barron decided that Deadman Inc would be a Taker clone with one or 2 small nagging differences. I'm still totally NOT over people who wanted to play <R> Taker and having a Deadman Inc set (mainly me lol) getting screwed over

[Daeva]

Or HHH's Reverse Neckbreaker. He never does that move anymore anyway. Though I imagine it would be too much of a bother to replace something that works fine.

The key word in that sentence is "anymore". He did it all the time when Fully Loaded was printed, and he never did a spinebuster back then.

Swapping out Bring the Hammer Down would be weird (why is a big spinebuster Cheater?), and he also generally doesn't do it often enough to be non-unique.

[Cythe]

Well for the regular Chokeslam, it's not really a move that's just used by everyone, and any wrestler that used the chokeslam had their own version of the move.

To add to this argument. It's a move that typically only big guys did in WWE like power slam. However unlike chokeslam was used by a lot of guys as their finisher at the time, where powerslam wasn't. Very moves that Superstars use as their finisher have a generic version I believe, especially from the guys who were around when Raw Deal first came out.

I feel this needs a rebuttal.  Cards like Sharpshooter, Texas Cloverleaf, Ankle Lock, Shooting Star Press, Claw, I'm sure the list could go on. All of these were not just run-of the mill moves either.  They were strickly used as "Finisher" situations and even then by select few people, yet they have non-unique non-ss versions and throwbacks of them.  In fact more superstars have used the chokeslam or a variant of it than any one of these aforementioned moves.  So for him to ask why a generic Chokeslam hasn't been made yet really isn't that surprizing.

[Philippine Milkfish]

That's because the guys associated with those moves weren't in Raw Deal at the time, whereas Taker and Kane were already associated with the Chokeslam.

Let's see:

1. Sharpshooter = Bret was in WCW, Owen was... well, let's not get into that. RIP man, still miss ya!
2. Texas Cloverleaf = Sadly, no Malenko or D-Lo in Fully Loaded.
3. Ankle Lock = I don't think Shamrock was in WWF at the time. Angle got the Angle Lock however.
4. Shooting Star Press = No Paul London, Evan Bourne or *shudder* Lesnar at the time. Who did the SSP as a TMF in WWF back then?
5. Claw = Von Erichs, Baron Von Rasche? Nah. No Khali yet either.

[HalfBadger]

Well for the regular Chokeslam, it's not really a move that's just used by everyone, and any wrestler that used the chokeslam had their own version of the move.

To add to this argument. It's a move that typically only big guys did in WWE like power slam. However unlike chokeslam was used by a lot of guys as their finisher at the time, where powerslam wasn't. Very moves that Superstars use as their finisher have a generic version I believe, especially from the guys who were around when Raw Deal first came out.

I feel this needs a rebuttal.  Cards like Sharpshooter, Texas Cloverleaf, Ankle Lock, Shooting Star Press, Claw, I'm sure the list could go on. All of these were not just run-of the mill moves either.  They were strickly used as "Finisher" situations and even then by select few people, yet they have non-unique non-ss versions and throwbacks of them.  In fact more superstars have used the chokeslam or a variant of it than any one of these aforementioned moves.  So for him to ask why a generic Chokeslam hasn't been made yet really isn't that surprizing.

Your rebuttal didn't counter my main point, which Milkfish pointed out. Chokeslam was used by two of the first guys in Raw Deal (Kane and Taker) and actually Big Show was initially supposed to be the 7th, but was replaced by Jericho. So that would have been 3 current WWE superstars in the game who used it as a finisher from the start of the game.

The moves you mentioned weren't really finishers for any WWE superstar in the game at the time they were made. The main notes to that would be the Cloverleaf, since Malenko was in WWE, but wasn't in the game and never made it in the game. The Sharpshooter the Rock used, but I don't recall him finishing many guys with it. Also Kidman popularized the Shooting Star Press at the time and I believe the card came out after WWE bought WCW, however like Malenko didn't make high up on the roster and didn't make it into the game.


I guess you could think of it as a generic Chokeslam would have diluted the uniqueness of Taker, Kane and etc's Superstar Specific chokelsams. Imagine the first set having HBK with SCM along with the generic Superkick. Kinda highlights how some finishing moves are just flashy versions of moves anyone can/do use.

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