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[MuhdRumi]

Guy would like to find out what would happen if this situation happens , 2 guys are fighting out at the top 4 and the superstars happen to be andre and spirit quart . spirit quard white wedding andre and so he has andre ability at one point of time the manager/tourney organiser promted the spirit quard if he wanted to use andre ability and at that point andre could have "scoop" the spirit quart

1) how would you guys feel as your tourney organiser is supporting someone else and promting when it should have been a fair match without and extra advantage?

2) does the rules reflects about anything happen to the player that was promted what to do?

3) lastly what are you guys opinion about this situation?


thanking all in advance

[thehometeam619]

people should keep their mouths shut during a tournament, at least thats how my playgroup plays they wont say anything until after the match is over

[boyfromsinga]

Guy would like to find out what would happen if this situation happens , 2 guys are fighting out at the top 4 and the superstars happen to be andre and spirit quart . spirit quard white wedding andre and so he has andre ability at one point of time the manager/tourney organiser promted the spirit quard if he wanted to use andre ability and at that point andre could have "scoop" the spirit quart

1) how would you guys feel as your tourney organiser is supporting someone else and promting when it should have been a fair match without and extra advantage?

2) does the rules reflects about anything happen to the player that was promted what to do?

3) lastly what are you guys opinion about this situation?


thanking all in advance

Nice try trying to blend the fact. When you played Stay Away from Daivari I was waiting for you to search your 2 Actions for the whole time. Before the effect was done could I freaking say I wanted to ability you? And with Stay Away from Daivari it is put the 2 Heat actions into your ringside pile and not hand, can I penalise you for that? When after your Stay Away from Daivari effect of shuffling and putting 2 Heat actions into your ringside pile then I can declare to use Andre's ability.
"During your opponent’s turn, when he ends his turn before playing a second card or successfully plays a second card and damage has been applied, you may put 1 card from your hand on the bottom of your Arsenal, draw 1 card, he randomly discards 2 cards, and end his turn."
Effect happens before damage, and after Stay Away's effect and damage have been calculated I use the ability. Anything wrong with it? Throughout the match you've been trying to gain advantages over me even how minor+stupid it is and trying to make your way through the rulings with all your rubbish theories and in the end what happened? Just face it you've been outplayed and outmatched and stop being a sore loser. All the other 10 players around knows nothing was wrong at all throughout the game play. And stop degrading yourself to an idiotic jerk.

[MuhdRumi]

Guy would like to find out what would happen if this situation happens , 2 guys are fighting out at the top 4 and the superstars happen to be andre and spirit quart . spirit quard white wedding andre and so he has andre ability at one point of time the manager/tourney organiser promted the spirit quard if he wanted to use andre ability and at that point andre could have "scoop" the spirit quart

1) how would you guys feel as your tourney organiser is supporting someone else and promting when it should have been a fair match without and extra advantage?

2) does the rules reflects about anything happen to the player that was promted what to do?

3) lastly what are you guys opinion about this situation?


thanking all in advance

Nice try trying to blend the fact. When you played Stay Away from Daivari I was waiting for you to search your 2 Actions for the whole time. Before the effect was done could I freaking say I wanted to ability you? And with Stay Away from Daivari it is put the 2 Heat actions into your ringside pile and not hand, can I penalise you for that? When after your Stay Away from Daivari effect of shuffling and putting 2 Heat actions into your ringside pile then I can declare to use Andre's ability.
"During your opponent’s turn, when he ends his turn before playing a second card or successfully plays a second card and damage has been applied, you may put 1 card from your hand on the bottom of your Arsenal, draw 1 card, he randomly discards 2 cards, and end his turn."
Effect happens before damage, and after Stay Away's effect and damage have been calculated I use the ability. Anything wrong with it? Throughout the match you've been trying to gain advantages over me even how minor+stupid and make your way through the rulings with all your rubbish theories and in the end what happened? Just face it you've been outplayed and outmatched and stop being a sore loser. All the other 10 players around knows nothing was wrong at all throughout the game play. And stop degrading yourself to an idiotic jerk.

i don think you get my point , my point is that is it right for the manager to promt?  seriously a pro or a noob might forget to use the ability . so please get my point before talking absalute thrash it is nothing to do with the cards i play but the blatant fact that the manager interupt in btween the match

[MuhdRumi]

people should keep their mouths shut during a tournament, at least thats how my playgroup plays they wont say anything until after the match is over

Yup totally agree no one should talk during the match , espically the manager and the tourney organiser

[boyfromsinga]

people should keep their mouths shut during a tournament, at least thats how my playgroup plays they wont say anything until after the match is over

Yup totally agree no one should talk during the match , espically the manager and the tourney organiser

How many matches had you failed to STFU then? Your promtings were so obvious we could DQ you everytime.

[MuhdRumi]

people should keep their mouths shut during a tournament, at least thats how my playgroup plays they wont say anything until after the match is over

Yup totally agree no one should talk during the match , espically the manager and the tourney organiser

How many matches had you failed to STFU then? Your promtings were so obvious we could DQ you everytime.

Lol? when did i promt? please get your facts right before talking thrash again please by all means name me a match that i promt hmm let me think 10years ago? when raw deal never exist? if you cant win the argument please do not change the topic that happen god knows when the fact that XIONG promted you during the match it was obvious he was siding you and by right i belive it could resort to a match reset or a dq but he is the manager what can i do?


can some rules guy like creed or anyone else post their opinion please

[thehoffman]

As far as i know in any game at all (from a card game to a table top game) any outside assistance is not allowed. no player can get advice or sugestions from any one else. but thats just how i thought it was

[boyfromsinga]

people should keep their mouths shut during a tournament, at least thats how my playgroup plays they wont say anything until after the match is over

Yup totally agree no one should talk during the match , espically the manager and the tourney organiser

How many matches had you failed to STFU then? Your promtings were so obvious we could DQ you everytime.

Lol? when did i promt? please get your facts right before talking thrash again please by all means name me a match that i promt hmm let me think 10years ago? when raw deal never exist? if you cant win the argument please do not change the topic that happen god knows when the fact that XIONG promted you during the match it was obvious he was siding you and by right i belive it could resort to a match reset or a dq but he is the manager what can i do?

As a so called good players yourself anytime people were in a match you never failed to not keep your mouth shut, so why are you complaining when you are the biggest mouth around. If you're having a STM and refering everything to 10years ago it's better you get some medical consulting before your condition worsen, but that still won't save you from being sore and finding problem with an outsider. And from your sentence what makes you think I forgotten my ability. And in the game if I wanted I could cheat you anyway I want with Give me an S... Give me a P... Give me an I... Give me an R... Give me an I... Give me a T... still being a 0F after my White Wedding which you obviously never notice. But for honest playing I swap my ability back so I could use it without cheating since I only got 4F at that time. And for your so called scoop you have 0 hand and Heat effect being used, not even a Blindside was around. If your understanding of SCOOP is having nothing to do and have to ed turn no matter what then try making everyone believe that term.

Or if you want me to make you feel better, all 9 other players around knows I'm a nub that will forget a simple stuff called ability which I took the time and effort to set it up. Have a nice day.

[boyfromsinga]

As far as i know in any game at all (from a card game to a table top game) any outside assistance is not allowed. no player can get advice or sugestions from any one else. but thats just how i thought it was

He's just trying to get the manager into trouble and stating he would win the match if the manager didn't remind me of it, which all along the time I was just waiting for him to get his 2nd card effects all done so I could use it. Ask any players around what was my reply when Bear asked me whether I'm using Andre ability or not. My reply was I'm still waiting for Rumi to get his Daivari's effects done if not how could I used it straight without delay. Ask them from my reaction would they considered me forgotten it.

[MuhdRumi]

As far as i know in any game at all (from a card game to a table top game) any outside assistance is not allowed. no player can get advice or sugestions from any one else. but thats just how i thought it was

He just trying to get the manager into trouble and stating he would win the match if the manager didn't remind me of it, which all along the time I was just waiting for him to get his 2nd card effects all done so I could use it.

Everyone would say they would not forget . if everyone does not forget that would be no loosers in raw deal its all about concentrating during the match so you could say you remembered but the actual  fact no one would know

[MuhdRumi]

people should keep their mouths shut during a tournament, at least thats how my playgroup plays they wont say anything until after the match is over

Yup totally agree no one should talk during the match , espically the manager and the tourney organiser

How many matches had you failed to STFU then? Your promtings were so obvious we could DQ you everytime.

Lol? when did i promt? please get your facts right before talking thrash again please by all means name me a match that i promt hmm let me think 10years ago? when raw deal never exist? if you cant win the argument please do not change the topic that happen god knows when the fact that XIONG promted you during the match it was obvious he was siding you and by right i belive it could resort to a match reset or a dq but he is the manager what can i do?

As a so called good players yourself anytime people were in a match you never failed to not keep your mouth shut, so why are you complaining when you are the biggest mouth around. If you're having a STM and refering everything to 10years ago it's better you get some medical consulting before your condition worsen, but that still won't save you from being sore and finding problem with an outsider. And from your sentence what makes you think I forgotten my ability. And in the game if I wanted I could cheat you anyway I want with Give me an S... Give me a P... Give me an I... Give me an R... Give me an I... Give me a T... still being a 0F after my White Wedding which you obviously never notice. But for honest playing I swap my ability back so I could use it without cheating since I only got 4F at that time. And for your so called scoop you have 0 hand and Heat effect being used, not even a Blindside was around. If your understanding of SCOOP is having nothing to do and have to ed turn no matter what then try making everyone believe that term.

Or if you want me to make you feel better, all 9 other players around knows I'm a nub that will forget a simple stuff called ability which I took the time and effort to set it up. Have a nice day.

If you are trying to cheat me i thought the "Honest" manager will stop you? anyway this is not about you trying to cheat me its about the fact that the MANAGER AND ALSO THE ORGANISER help you so why are you talking nonsense regarading the match again please stop post whoring and the fact still stands that the manager casue me the match directly or indirectly . Everyone does not like people to interupt during their match

[MuhdRumi]

As far as i know in any game at all (from a card game to a table top game) any outside assistance is not allowed. no player can get advice or sugestions from any one else. but thats just how i thought it was

hmm yup i agree but in this case who do i complain to when the MANAGER AND THE TOURNEY ORGANISER is the one promting

[boyfromsinga]

people should keep their mouths shut during a tournament, at least thats how my playgroup plays they wont say anything until after the match is over

Yup totally agree no one should talk during the match , espically the manager and the tourney organiser

How many matches had you failed to STFU then? Your promtings were so obvious we could DQ you everytime.

Lol? when did i promt? please get your facts right before talking thrash again please by all means name me a match that i promt hmm let me think 10years ago? when raw deal never exist? if you cant win the argument please do not change the topic that happen god knows when the fact that XIONG promted you during the match it was obvious he was siding you and by right i belive it could resort to a match reset or a dq but he is the manager what can i do?

As a so called good players yourself anytime people were in a match you never failed to not keep your mouth shut, so why are you complaining when you are the biggest mouth around. If you're having a STM and refering everything to 10years ago it's better you get some medical consulting before your condition worsen, but that still won't save you from being sore and finding problem with an outsider. And from your sentence what makes you think I forgotten my ability. And in the game if I wanted I could cheat you anyway I want with Give me an S... Give me a P... Give me an I... Give me an R... Give me an I... Give me a T... still being a 0F after my White Wedding which you obviously never notice. But for honest playing I swap my ability back so I could use it without cheating since I only got 4F at that time. And for your so called scoop you have 0 hand and Heat effect being used, not even a Blindside was around. If your understanding of SCOOP is having nothing to do and have to ed turn no matter what then try making everyone believe that term.

Or if you want me to make you feel better, all 9 other players around knows I'm a nub that will forget a simple stuff called ability which I took the time and effort to set it up. Have a nice day.

If you are trying to cheat me i thought the "Honest" manager will stop you? anyway this is not about you trying to cheat me its about the fact that the MANAGER AND ALSO THE ORGANISER help you so why are you talking nonsense regarading the match again please stop post whoring and the fact still stands that the manager casue me the match directly or indirectly . Everyone does not like people to interupt during their match

Yes good this is your confession that you would keep your mouth shut in any match in the future when you're just a by-stander. Gald to hear it.

[Yokozuma]

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Getting back on topic, I feel that prompting during tournament play is:

-Acceptable when either human error (misreading abilities) or something vital/required (No Way Out's Effect) to the play of the game is involved

-Excusable when it's not vital or required to continue play but is blurted out by someone accidentally. (Accidental reminder of White Wedding. TOASTY!)

-Unnecessary when the effect is optional or isn't relevant to the situation. (Terry Funk's ability)

-Just Plain Rude when they keep prompting you to play/use the ACE's on cards that aren't event in play or in your hand... AFTER it stops being funny.

[MuhdRumi]

people should keep their mouths shut during a tournament, at least thats how my playgroup plays they wont say anything until after the match is over

Yup totally agree no one should talk during the match , espically the manager and the tourney organiser

How many matches had you failed to STFU then? Your promtings were so obvious we could DQ you everytime.

Lol? when did i promt? please get your facts right before talking thrash again please by all means name me a match that i promt hmm let me think 10years ago? when raw deal never exist? if you cant win the argument please do not change the topic that happen god knows when the fact that XIONG promted you during the match it was obvious he was siding you and by right i belive it could resort to a match reset or a dq but he is the manager what can i do?

As a so called good players yourself anytime people were in a match you never failed to not keep your mouth shut, so why are you complaining when you are the biggest mouth around. If you're having a STM and refering everything to 10years ago it's better you get some medical consulting before your condition worsen, but that still won't save you from being sore and finding problem with an outsider. And from your sentence what makes you think I forgotten my ability. And in the game if I wanted I could cheat you anyway I want with Give me an S... Give me a P... Give me an I... Give me an R... Give me an I... Give me a T... still being a 0F after my White Wedding which you obviously never notice. But for honest playing I swap my ability back so I could use it without cheating since I only got 4F at that time. And for your so called scoop you have 0 hand and Heat effect being used, not even a Blindside was around. If your understanding of SCOOP is having nothing to do and have to ed turn no matter what then try making everyone believe that term.

Or if you want me to make you feel better, all 9 other players around knows I'm a nub that will forget a simple stuff called ability which I took the time and effort to set it up. Have a nice day.

If you are trying to cheat me i thought the "Honest" manager will stop you? anyway this is not about you trying to cheat me its about the fact that the MANAGER AND ALSO THE ORGANISER help you so why are you talking nonsense regarading the match again please stop post whoring and the fact still stands that the manager casue me the match directly or indirectly . Everyone does not like people to interupt during their match

Yes good this is your confession that you would keep your mouth shut in any match in the future when you're just a by-stander. Gald to hear it.

During sides match i do talk but not during tourney matches as i know i do not want to cause someone a match just like that manager yesterday

[MuhdRumi]

As far as i know in any game at all (from a card game to a table top game) any outside assistance is not allowed. no player can get advice or sugestions from any one else. but thats just how i thought it was

He's just trying to get the manager into trouble and stating he would win the match if the manager didn't remind me of it, which all along the time I was just waiting for him to get his 2nd card effects all done so I could use it. Ask any players around what was my reply when Bear asked me whether I'm using Andre ability or not. My reply was I'm still waiting for Rumi to get his Daivari's effects done if not how could I used it straight without delay. Ask them from my reaction would they considered me forgotten it.

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Getting back on topic, I feel that prompting during tournament play is:

-Acceptable when either human error (misreading abilities) or something vital/required (No Way Out's Effect) to the play of the game is involved

-Excusable when it's not vital or required to continue play but is blurted out by someone accidentally. (Accidental reminder of White Wedding. TOASTY!)

-Unnecessary when the effect is optional or isn't relevant to the situation. (Terry Funk's ability)

-Just Plain Rude when they keep prompting you to play/use the ACE's on cards that aren't event in play or in your hand... AFTER it stops being funny.

Definately you would remember after the manager ask you to used .. yeah andre ability is optional

[boyfromsinga]

As far as i know in any game at all (from a card game to a table top game) any outside assistance is not allowed. no player can get advice or sugestions from any one else. but thats just how i thought it was

He's just trying to get the manager into trouble and stating he would win the match if the manager didn't remind me of it, which all along the time I was just waiting for him to get his 2nd card effects all done so I could use it. Ask any players around what was my reply when Bear asked me whether I'm using Andre ability or not. My reply was I'm still waiting for Rumi to get his Daivari's effects done if not how could I used it straight without delay. Ask them from my reaction would they considered me forgotten it.

Toady's drama has been brought to you by Troll-Off, "When the Flaming Just Wont Stop, Tell it To TROLL-OFF!", Pepi's Pizza, "Now 60% E. Coli Free!", and by JUICY FRUITY FRUITY FRUITY JUICY SKITTLES.

Getting back on topic, I feel that prompting during tournament play is:

-Acceptable when either human error (misreading abilities) or something vital/required (No Way Out's Effect) to the play of the game is involved

-Excusable when it's not vital or required to continue play but is blurted out by someone accidentally. (Accidental reminder of White Wedding. TOASTY!)

-Unnecessary when the effect is optional or isn't relevant to the situation. (Terry Funk's ability)

-Just Plain Rude when they keep prompting you to play/use the ACE's on cards that aren't event in play or in your hand... AFTER it stops being funny.

Definately you would remember after the manager ask you to used .. yeah andre ability is optional

Feel free to berate me then if that makes you happy, I'm a chap that don't know how to play RawDeal k? =) Btw I won't take the time to debate with you, if the ruling team wants to penalise anyone just do so. It's just a waste of my time since all Singaporeans know what kind of guy you really are. You can only cover yourself up on the Net and not so in RL.

[MuhdRumi]

As far as i know in any game at all (from a card game to a table top game) any outside assistance is not allowed. no player can get advice or sugestions from any one else. but thats just how i thought it was

He's just trying to get the manager into trouble and stating he would win the match if the manager didn't remind me of it, which all along the time I was just waiting for him to get his 2nd card effects all done so I could use it. Ask any players around what was my reply when Bear asked me whether I'm using Andre ability or not. My reply was I'm still waiting for Rumi to get his Daivari's effects done if not how could I used it straight without delay. Ask them from my reaction would they considered me forgotten it.

Toady's drama has been brought to you by Troll-Off, "When the Flaming Just Wont Stop, Tell it To TROLL-OFF!", Pepi's Pizza, "Now 60% E. Coli Free!", and by JUICY FRUITY FRUITY FRUITY JUICY SKITTLES.

Getting back on topic, I feel that prompting during tournament play is:

-Acceptable when either human error (misreading abilities) or something vital/required (No Way Out's Effect) to the play of the game is involved

-Excusable when it's not vital or required to continue play but is blurted out by someone accidentally. (Accidental reminder of White Wedding. TOASTY!)

-Unnecessary when the effect is optional or isn't relevant to the situation. (Terry Funk's ability)

-Just Plain Rude when they keep prompting you to play/use the ACE's on cards that aren't event in play or in your hand... AFTER it stops being funny.

Definately you would remember after the manager ask you to used .. yeah andre ability is optional

Feel free to berate me then if that makes you happy, I'm a chap that don't know how to play RawDeal k? =)

no one says you don know how to play raw deal for the fact that you made if to the final with me at sgq it proves a point . um .. all i am saying why must there be and interuption from the TOURNEY organiser himself i believe he should not do it again and if does happen to promt again i need a ruling

[MuhdRumi]

As far as i know in any game at all (from a card game to a table top game) any outside assistance is not allowed. no player can get advice or sugestions from any one else. but thats just how i thought it was

He's just trying to get the manager into trouble and stating he would win the match if the manager didn't remind me of it, which all along the time I was just waiting for him to get his 2nd card effects all done so I could use it. Ask any players around what was my reply when Bear asked me whether I'm using Andre ability or not. My reply was I'm still waiting for Rumi to get his Daivari's effects done if not how could I used it straight without delay. Ask them from my reaction would they considered me forgotten it.

Toady's drama has been brought to you by Troll-Off, "When the Flaming Just Wont Stop, Tell it To TROLL-OFF!", Pepi's Pizza, "Now 60% E. Coli Free!", and by JUICY FRUITY FRUITY FRUITY JUICY SKITTLES.

Getting back on topic, I feel that prompting during tournament play is:

-Acceptable when either human error (misreading abilities) or something vital/required (No Way Out's Effect) to the play of the game is involved

-Excusable when it's not vital or required to continue play but is blurted out by someone accidentally. (Accidental reminder of White Wedding. TOASTY!)

-Unnecessary when the effect is optional or isn't relevant to the situation. (Terry Funk's ability)

-Just Plain Rude when they keep prompting you to play/use the ACE's on cards that aren't event in play or in your hand... AFTER it stops being funny.

Definately you would remember after the manager ask you to used .. yeah andre ability is optional

Feel free to berate me then if that makes you happy, I'm a chap that don't know how to play RawDeal k? =) Btw I won't take the time to debate with you, if the ruling team wants to penalise anyone just do so. It's just a waste of my time since all Singaporeans know what kind of guy you really are. You can only cover yourself up on the Net and not so in RL.

what do you mean by what type of person  i am really am .. why are you questioning my charcter when its nothing to do with this

[PEsh021]

Before this gets locked, I'd like to agree with Yokozuma. I myself, even while watching tournament games, will point out required things. Examples like no way out tb and players forgetting to draw card for start of turn. But no one, especially the TO, should say anything about optional effects. Nothing, period. Whether boyfromsinga would have remembered or not to use Andre's ability, the TO is definitely in the wrong here not boyfromsinga though I can understand Rumi's frustration.

[FuryOfTheStormKW]

First of all, did this happen at your qualifier? Did your qualifier happen already?

Personally, I don't think Rumi's character is in question, me and many a good man met Rumi and Dakkon last year in Detroit and they were perfectly fine. He isn't trying to gain an advantage hes trying to keep the playing field level. And he doesn't have to not talk, he can talk about how seals mate during the winter months because it hardly matters at all what he says, hes not prompting anyone about the game itself. The TO should've shut his mouth. Optional things are not to be pointed out. Ever.

It doesn't matter what happens, other guy, because the TO talked, its gonna look bad on you whether you personally remembered or not. Don't blame Rumi, he has a right to be jacked, blame the TO.

Blame Terrell Owens while your at it!

[LordFa9]

the worst part is this is just some dumb feud between both of them.

Over here, when andre's opponent plays a action/antic as a 2nd card, the andre player would usually declare it successful and the usage of his ability in the same breath. Boyfromsinga was just waiting for the conclusion of the effects before using the ability, nothing wrong from a timing breakdown point of view.

In this case, i would have to agree that the TO is prompting but whether it would affect the game or not (as is genuinely reminding boyfromsinga) we would never know. Its like looking at a players hand and making any form of gesture such as shaking your head, laughing, or saying under your breath 'wtf he drew that??'

[neuromancer]

We Singaporeans who knows Alvin(boyfromsinga) well enough, should know that Alvin is a very careful player. No doubt about that.

However, if the TO organsier made some comment that would actually affect the game, it is actually wrong for him to do that. Although we all perfectly know it was a casual remark by the TO, but it is still a courtesy to actually not say anything when others are having their game, regardless if the player himself remember or not what to do.

We can't rule out the possibility that Alvin might forget about the Andre ability that he switched over, afterall it is not his ability. It is not surprising to forget about it. So if Alvin really at that point of time forgotten about it, the TO's casual remark might have affected the game.

Not blaming anybody, just trying to make my stand and point out my views on the prompting issues.

[StraightEdge0722]

In my opinion the only time a prompter should be allowed to say anything such thing is during a match to make a specific ruling on such things.  Now the such helping may or may not have affected the game, I will never know I was not there.  But in the area that I play in our prompter or any other player waits until after the match for any such comment during the match. 
       The prompter should have kept his mouth shut until after the match and such.

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